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  • October 1, 2010 at 5:14 am

    I think there should be more trials with other pain meds. Seems the only reason drs are pushing the new stuff on us is to use us as guinea pigs and make a buck. I am so sorry your dd is going through this, please send her a hug for me and prayers too.

    I know that OTC stuff does not work for me either. I have to be really bad and in tears to contemplate the “good stuff”. I have tried every cream, natural route (except acupuncture or massage), supplements I can’t afford right now, and I am beginning to wonder if the Savella is even working anymore. It might work for her though if she hasn’t tried it and can take it with her other meds. I see you have contacted a pain management doctor…so ask because even if our “pain” is invisible it is still real and needs to be addressed.

    September 30, 2010 at 2:20 am

    I need as much information regarding residuals as I can gather and find. Is there one place to find that? Also looking for the debilitating effects of GBS in people who had “mild to moderate cases”.

    One more question…been a bit worried the past few days because the pain in my legs just won’t go away. The pain is the same thing….enough to bring me to tears, and deep aches like a major over done workout with weakness, burning and sometimes it takes my breath away (or I hold it, grit my teeth and wait for it to stop). Lots of twitching in legs and feet, and arms, and trunk. I feel like everything weighs way too much to lift without help (i usually have the kids help at the store just in case there are heavy items or to help get things in and out of the car) but this has been every day objects. Drying my daughters hair made my arms feel weak, making the bed seemed like one hell of a chore that sort of thing. Today I had to run an errand and my right leg felt like I wasn’t pressing the gas properly and my leg ached and felt weak. Should any of this freak me out or should I just chalk it up to residuals? Oh and the trouble swallowing is worse, I have to tilt my head back and sometimes make an effort to actually swallow. Never mentioned this because I didn’t think it was important. Fatigue is enormous, actually had hubby reschedule my dr’s appt today and just stayed in bed. I am not worried about ALS but is there anything else that could be up or just like i said blow it off as a flare up that is being persistent. I think I mentioned my left side seems more affected than my right which was hit harder in the beginning. I keep waiting it out like a ‘good little girl’ and trying to ignore it, but when you lose your balance and almost fall, have to climb stairs and legs feel as if they are going to collapse under you it tends to freak you out even though you are ignoring it. I will be bringing all of this up with the dr as we talk about the paperwork and such and if any testing needs to be done since it has been a while. It is just one of those feelings that something isn’t quite right.
    Stress levels at home are normal, other than depression and anxiety that flares up if I get a hormone rush, things seem fine so I can’t figure out what has caused this to flare up or whatever is going on. It started coming on last week, very little and slight but enough for me to take note. Forgot to add about the overlap of Fibro that was dianosed just a couple of months ago. Haven’t really researched that yet, guess I am still in denial.

    Thanks.

    September 28, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    Welcome to the forums Justin. I am so sorry you had to find us, but am glad you did. I don’t have personal experience about the vent, but others here do and will surely help you understand that part of it.

    Please accept our prayers and the information we have to share with you.

    What brought on your wife’s GBS, if you know?

    September 28, 2010 at 4:25 pm

    You may not like what you read here, but you asked and we answered and YOU had no business insulting either of us. We were being HONEST with you, and sharing our own experience (which we have more of than you do with this), our extensive research, and I even told you to hold onto hope and not give up. Not once did I tell YOU that YOU would not make a complete recovery, I pointed out information that would help you in your own personal journey. If you want sunshine blown up your skirt, don’t come crying here when 4-5 years from now you may still experience residual issues.
    So here ya go *sunshine*…..You will make a complete and full recovery with no ill effects and go back to living the amazing life you had before getting struck down with this syndrome. I am not a doctor only someone who has been where you are right now.
    When my mother lay in the ICU on life support, it was heartbreaking. There was only ONE doctor who was dead honest with me, I will remember his honesty and sharing his knowledge forever. She had suffered respiratory and cardiac arrest, been worked on for over 45 minutes. And everyone kept saying there was a chance she would be fine. I knew better. IF there was any chance she was not already clinically dead, she would be a complete vegetable the rest of what ever life she had left. The facts are written out about how long and what the stats are for recovery with something like that because of so many patients having been in her situation or similar. That ONE doctor looked me in the eyes when I asked him if there was even a small chance for her and told me “No, I am so sorry. But this is not a situation she will ever recover from”. That is the only doctor I had contact with those three heartbreaking days that I respect and remember. He didn’t fill me with false hope or give me a fine thread to hang on to that would break and hurt even more. He was honest because of his experience and knowledge in the area. Are there other cases of complete recovery of cases like hers? Yes, very few, but yes. And that is exactly what we told you about the reality of GBS and CIDP.

    We are all here to help each other out and share info and stories and experiences. I have learned so much from my GBS family, some have gone to great lengths to gather information and pass it along with no expectation except a thank you and a hope that it helps someone else out. Without this group and their support, information, stories, and experience I don’t know where I would be. Does this suck? Yep. It sucks more for some than for others….remember that. YOU are not the only one hoping for a full recovery tomorrow or the next or years from now. We have all tried being supportive of you, appreciated your upbeat attitude, and shared what we had when you asked for it. If this whole thing has you down, don’t take it out on us. We have enough “down” to deal with without being attacked or called names.

    Enough with this. If you read through the posts here, you will find a lot of HOPE in them which is what you are looking for. What we will not do is lie to you. Or call you names.

    September 27, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    Homeagain…oh you are not a bummer at all! And I agree with you. We have to work for ourselves and be more persistent with our doc’s. The health system is all about $ not about real healing or what is in our best interest. I am still learning to speak up and not just nod my head and agree with the dr’s I see. They too are learning since they may not know very much about what we deal with if anything at all. Only WE each know what we individually deal with and are going thru, and what may be easy for one of us may not be easy for another and the same like you said goes for treatment too.

    I know what ya mean about “wow I feel okay” and BAM! it hits you and you are not okay suddenly or the next day. How do you put that into words that make sense so others that are not living our lives understand it? Ugh.

    September 27, 2010 at 8:47 pm

    Got info in the mail today…large amount of paperwork. Says that depending on what they determine after sending in the paperwork, I may or may not have to have a hearing.

    I got to review the records they have from when i got sick to dec 09. It was actually upsetting to read them because the original hospital stay and neuro does state that my issues were not GBS related, they were anxiety and I needed to seek other help. WTH!? I mean he told me to my face, but to see it in writing and have it held against me right now is enough to make me cry. My newest doctor has little knowledge of GBS and has been for maintenance only. Those were interesting as well. I do not recall ever telling him I could manage a 30 minute walk on a treadmill with no problems. But there it is in my records that I can. I was able to do that BEFORE I got sick, and yes have pushed myself after and paid dearly for it. And the SSI paperwork says I was never married. HUH!? I stated my marriage and when it ended on the paperwork. I am so confused. Oh and the very first nerve conduction study it states that it was negative. The woman doing the test was very rushed and certainly not like the second test I had…although that one shows nerve damage the Neuro says it was mild and shows signs of some sort of polyneuritis but not active. Mild my ass, walk in my shoes and tell me it is mild. All of this makes me really wish I had not been so damn stubborn and had gone back to the ER when things got really scary instead of forcing myself to deal with it on my own. Makes me wish I was more of a wuss and went to the dr for every twitch and pain instead of dealing with it and trying to accept it as the norm. But I made an appt for wednesday with my new doctor and will bring my paperwork with me and ask him about an assessment and help filling out the paperwork, asking about an autonomic test series, another nerve study with a diff doctor than before, and I don’t know what else to ask about. I am tired of playing nice and tired of ‘dealing with it’. I know how i feel, I know what i deal with, my family get tired of hearing about it, yet I am supposed to accept the pain that gets to be so much that I contemplate hydrocodone or oxycontin in spite of how it makes me throw up. Yes some things have gotten better, but it seems as if some things have gone backwards. And I try to keep my mouth shut so I don’t sound like a broken record or a sissy or that I am making a mountain out of a molehill. “Be strong, push through it, you can do it!” yea whatever. I know when I am done for the day regardless of what time of the day that is, it is not in my control.

    Anyhow any ideas on what else to do to help my case?

    thanks
    me

    September 27, 2010 at 5:05 pm

    I have to agree with Boomerbabe….the residuals that are not taken into account by doctors, ssi, family, friends, etc are difficult to deal with. They can be debilitating. Others find ways of dealing and get on with their lives.

    I happen to find the loss and the acceptance difficult when residuals flare up. Will I recover and never have pain or difficulties again? I have no idea. At this moment in time it is hard to think of life without residuals. I also have a problem working within my limitations because they vary. One day I may do nothing but take it easy, the next I am cursed with a flare up. Another day I may over do it and risk paying for it over the next few days, and wake up with little to deal with. I won’t stay in bed and wonder what is coming next, I do what I can and some days that isn’t very much. I haven’t exactly given up completely that I will recover more, but the truth is after much research 4 years is about the max for A LOT of improvement. The rest is so minimal that we may not even realize it. There is a time you have to accept the truth and go from there. You don’t have to accept you will never heal, but driving yourself crazy like I have thinking it is ALL or NOTHING won’t help your progress. Today….my legs are burning and feel weak. Didn’t over do a damn thing yesterday but I know if i had a job outside of home I would be calling in so I could rest and hope tomorrow is better. Because you always, if nothing else, have at least that in your corner. Today may suck, but there is a good chance tomorrow will be better.

    Don’t give up, keep holding on to the hope that there will be major improvements in your case. Hope is what keeps us going, trust me. But also remember, there is that chance you may not be one of the few that have little to no residuals. Don’t beat yourself up. I have done it for 4 years now and it has gotten me no where….being stubborn is what kept me off a vent and shuffling and bathing myself while leaning against the shower wall. But, being stubborn has also led to more down days than up because I pushed too hard or insisted on doing something I should have asked for help with. You are new to this, give yourself some time. We were all where you are right now, we are just in different places and different phases of acceptance (or not). Set small goals and when you meet them, scream from the rooftop and be very proud of yourself, but also keep in mind that you may or may not reach them the way you think you should or could have before GBS put some limits on you. None of it is a failure even though it sure seems like it sometimes. I have cried plenty of times feeling like that, being ticked off, and of course asking ‘why me?’. Hell, why any of us? Just don’t forget you are not alone in your fight and any struggles you may face. We are either right there next to you fighting a very similar fight, or are on to another phase of our journey.

    September 23, 2010 at 6:17 pm

    They say that a second time with GBS may not be the same as the first. Less severe, more severe, the same, they of course can’t predict what it would be like or if it would even happen at all. The chances of a relapse are small, like 3% or so…but I figure the chance is larger considering the number of people who actually get it in the first place, but that is just me. If the number of people that possibly get GBS is 1000 per 100,000 (1 in 100,000) (still seems like it should be higher than that) then the risk of relapse rate is 30 of those people. Some get it more than twice. Not trying to scare anyone, just stating what I have ‘learned’ so far.
    But, you may also have to factor in the simple cold, the stomach virus, etc. Come cold and flu season, I am armed with bleach and lysol and clean EVERYTHING thoroughly. Plus I am careful of where I go and definitely use those wipes at the store, wiping the entire cart, and my hands while shopping and wash after I get home. Can’t be too thorough because there are some nasty scary bugs going around now, and our bodies do need to set up their own defensive lines. Just be mindful but dont let it drive you crazy nor let it become an obsession.
    Oh be sure that you insist anyone who comes into contact with you at the hospital, even if is seems innocent, wash their hands in front of you! It isn’t rude to ask, it is about your health.

    September 22, 2010 at 7:36 pm

    Not sure about a time limit personally, but I did have issues AFTER surgery in recovery room. Blood pressure would not stay up no matter what they did, and it dropped so low at one point it was a “coma/death” situation. Make sure EVERYONE who comes into contact with you at any point during your pre op and day of surgery knows details about your condition and any sensitivities to drugs that you are aware of, sleeping issues, breathing issues, etc. Have a meeting with the surgeon BEFORE you are to go in so you can cover all of the bases. This is the first time i have heard of limitation of being “under”….and if it is true it is very good info to have on hand.

    My surgeon said I was fine during surgery, no issues and was very surprised and concerned when he came to check on me in recovery to hear what was going on. So things can still occur even after being awake. Others have had no issues at all, as with everything and gbs/cidp, things vary with each person. Also, I was worried about a relapse as well but tried not to worry too much because that can make things worse while healing. I was glad when my “4 weeks” was up and nothing happened except a minor flare of residuals, but a lot was going on in my life at that time so that was no surprise.

    September 22, 2010 at 5:33 pm

    Rhonda,

    doesn’t fatigue count as disability?
    If it does, then I am in there because fatigue is one of my main issues.

    do you take meds that impair you and make you sleepy? You are then a liability!
    I am on Wellbutrin, Savella, Xanax (cant drive when I take it, and there are days I do have to take it during the day and not wait till evening), Azelastine (antihistamine….which, yes, makes me drowsy and even the insert and packaging warns of that), and an albuterol inhaler (stimulants send me over the edge, but the shortness of breath and bear hug feelings I suddenly get make the use of the inhaler/stimulant necessary).

    what about IVIG and recovery time afterwards?
    Don’t have treatments since it is just GBS not CIDP

    Trouble walking and balance?
    yes, walking gets worse with use and fatigue. I have a slight limp and sometimes end up dragging my feet because my legs just turn to absolute jello. Sometimes I lose my balance and try making a joke out of it, but have actually fallen out of the shower because of it. Find it hard to put on pants without leaning on something most days, sit down to put on shoes and socks. If I close my eyes I sway all over the place.

    concentratin problems? I have always been easily distracted, but now the family makes it a point to point it out. I am also very easily overwhelmed and that is when my brain just shuts off. I also forget the ‘right words’ a lot and that is so incredibly frustrating because I used to have a nice vocabulary and took pride in my intelligence. Now i feel as if I am 20 points short of what I used to be…whether or not GBS effects the brain or not, I know there is a marked difference between then and now.

    and plain old stress! Afterall what they are putting you through is enough to stress anyone out!
    I believe the dr has mentioned in my records about having decreased coping skills with stressful situations. I start vibrating and tingling everywhere if it gets too stressful. Following a particularly stressful event, I am in bed in pain and recovering for about 2-3 days.

    The SS dept has stated that since I can sit on my butt and at least type or do menial work, I am not disabled or impaired. I do not understand this and have tried explaining even menial work (even my photography and stuff is limited because of what I can tolerate on any given day. And that is just for fun, not an income) is difficult depending on the hour or the day.

    Thank you for your support. I am definitely going to go forward with this and insist on seeing one of their doctors.

    Today I woke up to my lower back aching across my hips, my legs feeling numb and aching, my ankles and Achilles tendons hurting. Does that scare me? YES! Especially when my feet and legs go to sleep no matter what position I have them in (that part started yesterday late evening and I didn’t do anything over the top. Took it easy in fact). Right now it is a wait and see, if it gets worse I am off to the hospital in an instant. Even my hands are involved, shaking and numb and tingling. I am hoping it is stress related because hubby is dealing with what we think is kidney stones and is in pain. He said “are you sure it is not your own version of what I am going thru?” AS IF!!! I have much better things to do than get attention by being sick. In fact, I don’t think there are enough words to express how much I hate ever having gotten sick in the first place…although I got to meet a group of great people and have learned so much because of it.

    thank you again
    HUGS

    Nicsmom:

    I will print out the form and have the placard for when I need it if the doctor will fill it out for me. In Idaho most of those spots are open in most areas. I can drive short distances. If I have to do so for too long or far, it does a job on me. On our move, I had to drive one of the vehicles myself and I think I was running on pure adrenaline (it was after mom had passed, the excitement of a new place, etc) but at one point I was seeing things and radioed hubby that I had to stop because I was having problems. I was hurting and eyes were playing tricks on me. Was scary! We got a room and finished the trip the next day. There are days that I call my oldest son for a ride if it is ‘one of those days’. He is usually more than happy to help out. Other than short trips to the store, or saving up my “spoons/energy” for a short trip somewhere with my daughter, I stay close to home.

    The disability part thru the state I was told i didnt qualify for because I worked from 16-20 and then got married and was a stay at home mom and wife for the past 20 years (oh geez that makes me feel old). I couldn’t use my ex hubbys disability because they said we had not been married long enough? Our divorce was final after our 10 year anniversary, I thought according to the paperwork that was a qualifying factor and he also said he would do anything he could to help push that thru for me if I needed help. But they said I only qualified for SSI and the residuals are affects of GBS definitely have lasted more than a year and from what I have read and experienced, I am most certain it will continue. Ugh.

    Thank you for the info as well. I will stand my ground. I am shocked at how they treated your daughter. Nice system we have….”we are here to help you, but so sorry you don’t qualify or we will make it very difficult for you to qualify so you will just give up and go away”.

    HUGS to you and your daughter.

    September 21, 2010 at 4:51 pm

    Apparently Social Security got copies of all my records from when I was sick until recently and put all the info they asked from me and family and friends along with the records onto a CD that only special software can access, I have no clue what is on it. And to get copies for myself it is pretty pricey from what I was told by the records dept when I tried getting them after my hospital stay. I could even go read them in their special room, but had to pay to do that even, and if I didn’t understand the medical jargon it would cost extra to have it interpreted. I was blown away! I mean I thought it was my record, my info, I could see it and do what I wanted with it since it was stuff about ME. I can try again and see what happens. Maybe they will send a cd I can actually read myself without the secret high tech software.

    The attorney says he does not feel I am ‘disabled’ enough to bother with my case because I can apparently do ‘sedentary’ work since the medical stuff he read doesn’t say anything against that. I have been thinking for awhile about asking my dr for a handicap car thing because there are days I really really would and need to park closer. Not all the time, but a lot of it nonetheless. Didn’t know if he would approve it or it was something I had to go thru SS to get. I will call and ask how to go about getting one. I will also be asking if it would be possible for him to evaluate me and give more info about my condition and limitations. My dr’s have basically just been for maintenance, I have only seen the neuro once for my initial exam and one of the results of the nerve test…since I haven’t been able to pay him in a while due to things going on at home and finances, they said they will not see me again if I dont send something. To the best of my knowledge they are the only ones with a nerve test machine and all the other neuros send patients to see them for that test. I am definitely going to start pushing for things because I know what I go thru, my family and kids and a couple of close friends know what I deal with. They see it and help me out and my one friend definitely knows how it has affected me. So they can speak on my behalf.

    I know someone who was stressed out from work and was awarded benefits, I know of a drug abuser who got benefits, heard about someone who kept stealing stuff from work places and kept getting fired so he got benefits. Maybe I am going about this the wrong way….I should be a druggie, stressed out thief and then I might get a speed pass through with an Approved stamp on my file.

    September 20, 2010 at 11:11 pm

    Thank you. I look normal though. Its the things you can’t see that are the problem and no one seems to believe me. I am going to call my new doctor and see what he has to say, see if there is some way he can evaluate me or something. I am trying for SSI which is different than disability? It is confusing to me. I did ask the attorney if my original records from when I was in the hospital and the following visits and such were all on the CD or if it was just recent things from when I moved to Idaho from CA. No answer on that yet. Not sure if any of it will help my case, but it needs to be in the files as does a new evaluation. Or heck, I could just suck it up and push myself till I totally collapse and then worry about it…which could take a day, a week, or a few hours. Totally depends on what the day has in store for me. Like today, not such a bad day. Some weakness and what have you because I had a busy weekend and was out in the heat and was on my feet too much. But overall, I got some things done around the house and didn’t have to nap or lay down. Tomorrow may be a surprise. That is the interesting part of living with GBS, I don’t know what might come next.

    Thank you for listening and I will do some calling and some research and see what others have to say about this as well.

    September 20, 2010 at 2:06 am

    I can understand your view and feelings. It can get pretty “down” around here, but hey that is why a lot of us come here. We support each other, vent, get frustrated, give hope, take hope with us, sometimes we are positive and think we got a handle on this new life stuff. Other times, it gets to be a bit too much and we need someone that understands.

    I have been told more than once that I should consider myself lucky, that I am not in a wheelchair or worse. I am grateful, but that does not mean I have to feel guilty because I feel ticked off about something I am personally going through. It sucks, it sucks harder for others than some. We hold each others hands and lend an ear or a shoulder and we get through it together. A lot of us may not have a support system at home that gets us. We come here to find solace and a safe place to let off some steam.

    The reality for us is we do hold onto hope that we will reach a full recovery, but the odds are pretty much stacked against us and we know this. We also know there is a chance of relapse back into that hell, the chance of a future in a wheelchair or worse. We do our best to live each moment as we can. Not every day or every moment is a good one….which is usually when we come here to visit our friends and other family…other days are awesome and we may feel close to normal and do a happy dance and forget to post about how wonderful it feels.

    The other reality is with illness, especially a sudden life changing one, there will be a lot of negativity no matter how hard one tries to remain positive. There are people here that are in such pain I am amazed they are still hanging in there. Each person here has their own story to tell, their own knowledge to pass along, and personal experience to share that even doctors don’t know about. Some have gone to great lengths to provide us with amazing information that adds to that ray of hope we actually do hold onto in spite of what some of our posts may say.

    I refuse to let it beat me, but it also pisses me off to no end that there are days that it does give me a sucker punch. I think if it was something we asked for or did something to cause, it would be easier to handle. Heck even Cancer has ‘cures’. It is a bit upsetting that we have nothing and you can see where the negativity of being told “there is nothing more we can do for you” “you will be this way the rest of your life” can be pretty upsetting to people. We are all dealing the best we know how.

    I have personally enjoyed your positive outlook, your wit and humor, and trying to get the rest of us on board. It feels that since we have not come around to your way of thinking, that you have decided to go your own way, I wish you well and truly hope you do reach a full recovery. It IS possible even in the worst of cases. There is that ray of hope again….

    Peace, love and positive thinking.

    September 17, 2010 at 1:18 am

    The leg, foot and body twitches were my ‘friend’ when I was first sick. I got so used to them that when they finally eased up, I found I missed the nightly ‘ritual’. But, yes I do know it is worse with stress or if i over do things. Sometimes they are so bad you can watch the muscles move and crawl. Creepy. The facial, smiling thing I noticed by chance recently while drinking a glass of juice. I noticed my upper lip quivering and thought it was odd because I had not had a problem with it before. Then I did a half smile at my daughter and the corners of my mouth were quivering. I also had a strange shaking, spasm, twitch happen with my left arm when i held it up to cradle my head while sitting at the computer. It was as if I had no control over it…freaked me out! BUT changing positions made it stop. Same thing happens with fingers too. Just more to add to the list I suppose. I do know my throat and soft palette are still numb, I have to often tilt my head a bit to swallow properly. Annoying, but something I have come to terms with and no one seems to notice the slight movement or at least are nice enough not to say anything. Wonder if that could be part of the cause of the hiccups?
    Haven’t been sick (except for allergies and going off Singulair and onto two new meds. A nasal antihistamine and an inhaler), getting over some major stress (possible cause), and also a few months back yes the dr did give me a “guess what, you have a cross over of Fibro caused by the original GBS, surprise”. So now I don’t know what is GBS residuals or possible cause for alarms to go off, or just a bad fibro day. Have to do more research on that one since they are do darn similar. Ugh.
    Thank you for the advice and support. Everyone is so helpful and I find solace here.

    ~Lori:)

    September 15, 2010 at 4:44 am

    could barely walk, a shuffle at best. Was weak all over and numb, tingling and it was spreading. ER told me after two days of tests that the spinal was negative so they didnt even bother with a nerve conduction test. Told me I needed mental help and sent me home. One doctor was afraid to touch me because she thought i had AIDS!! Treated me like I did too, asked about open sores, and had that look on her face as if she had just squished a bug or smelled something nasty. I hadn’t eaten a thing the entire time I was there and no one said a thing…I couldnt eat, digestive system was numb (I know sounds strange but that is how it felt). So I went home labeled a crazy woman, tsk tsk tsk. I didn’t bother going back even when my breathing was difficult. No one would return my calls, the original neuro would not talk to me or give me a referral to another doctor for another opinion when I was getting worse, no one would see me without a referral. So it was either back to the ER or suffer. I was so close so many times to going back in, but was scared of what would happen. Like if I forced myself to function at home everything would be okay, but if I went in it would all fall apart and I would be in a mess. 3 months later I was finally diagnosed thru my story alone and a nerve test to confirm damage. I was not crazy afterall.
    I have often wanted to write to that original doctor and tell him a thing or two. Tell him how his lack of trust in his patients gut feeling and not performing just one more test made my life a living hell. What good would it do? None. He wouldn’t care, probably wouldn’t even remember me anyhow and toss the letter out like he tossed me out.

    It is sad so many of us are sent home with the latest and greatest anti depressant or anti anxiety medication because this is all in our heads. Glad to share the loony bin with y’all. HUGS