jk

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  • jk
    August 8, 2017 at 11:53 am

    No, not currently having the issue. Thanks for checking your end.

    jk
    July 28, 2017 at 11:10 am

    Never had GBS.

    Generally speaking, GBS lasting more than 8 weeks is considered CIDP. I had one set of neurologists declare, “..your IVIG was not successful. Therefore we are discontinuing it.” hmmph, I had clear, albeit anecdotal, (means my opinion) grip strength improvement.

    Later that year the Specialist told me, “You probably did not have enough, often enough.” Indeed after a period of once per week treatments I began to steadily improve.

    Long winded way of saying I would get a second opinion and accept the original Dr’s offer of another round of IVIG and remain skeptical of the Dr who thinks my problems are all, or mostly, related to ‘neck’ issues.

    Further, unless you had serious reactions, a hospital stay is not necessary unless it is the only way to get your treatment covered.

    jk
    July 27, 2017 at 11:58 am

    I have no recollection of a medical professional actively participating on this Forum in any meaningful way. Irrelevant, I guess. Now, a due diligence disclaimer, I am definitely not a doctor or nurse.

    It would be of no particular significance for me to focus on one small part of a much larger test. Specifically, when you review a study such as this one: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3820196/

    You’ll find what is significant, and that is the overall multiple location, multiple nerve groups and multiple motor test results which should include this (where NCS means Nerve Conduction Studies):

    “Methods

    In NCS, the motor nerves, median nerves, and ulnar nerves in the upper limbs were examined by segment; the peroneal nerve and the posterior tibial nerve in the lower limbs were also assessed. The median nerve was stimulated at the wrist, elbow, and axilla. The ulnar nerve was stimulated at the wrist, below the elbow, and at the axilla. The peroneal nerve was stimulated at the ankle and fibular head, and the tibial nerve was stimulated at the ankle and popliteal fossa. For motor nerves, the compound muscle action potential (CMAP) and motor nerve conduction velocity (MNCV) amplitudes obtained by supramaxial stimulations were analyzed by segment. The MNCV was measured in m/sec, and the amplitude was determined in millivolts (mV) by measuring the distance from the negative peak to the positive peak.”

    Finally, the muscle mentioned is used to fully extend the leg. It’s a yes or no test.

    jk
    June 28, 2017 at 3:25 pm

    JIM-LA gave a link to a chart a few months back. I was looking for it when I found this quote from a Registered Pharmacist in 2015- “Gamunex and Gammaked are made by the same manufacturer and are identical.”

    My local infusion center has switched IVIG types because their ‘approved’ Formulary changed.

    We can find that information in the same article- “No brand has been proven to be more effective than another. Some prescribers may write for a particular brand based on past experience and familiarity. Some payers have limited formularies and may require use of a specific brand. ”

    here: http://www.nufactor.com/Blog/post/IVIG-brands.aspx

    The chart I found shows Gamunex-C® Grifols; Gammaked® Kedrion.

    here: http://www.bdipharma.com/comparison-charts

    The data supplied in the chart for these two appears identical as stated above.

    Yep, no matter what talk with your doctor about your results.

    jk
    June 26, 2017 at 7:35 pm

    I did not have GBS. A web search for “IVIG treatment related fluctuations’ resulted in a lot of articles. I chose one, which states:

    “In an effort to improve this outcome neurologists may be tempted to apply plasma exchange or IVIg at an earlier stage of the disease–for example, when the patients are still able to walk independently.6 However, early relapses, treatment related fluctuations, occur in 8%-10% of the treated patients.7-9 It has been stated that especially patients with Guillain-Barré syndrome who are treated early in the course of their disease may be at risk for these relapses.8”

    It seems to me you were treated very early.

    As for cut to the quick- I would not wait to be seen 6-12 months later. If, I still had symptoms and was either declining or at best, not improving.

    You like to read. do your own web search or start here:

    http://jnnp.bmj.com/content/64/2/242

    Good luck

    jk
    June 26, 2017 at 7:24 pm

    Over the years the doctors had me try: Cymbalta, Effexor, Celexa and Lexapro.

    Not counting Neurontin and Lyrica and others I’ve forgotten. They are in a different class of drugs. It’s a personal thing with me. When a drug knocks my brain for a loop, I’m not going to take it.

    I agree with BryanF that any drug that knowingly goes up inside my brain and screws with it’s normal operation is not a reasonable path. Oh, by the way, there are serious withdrawal symptoms with Cymbalta. Sounds the same as illegal drugs doesn’t it?

    Cymbalta comes with the FDA following warnings

    1. Liver Disease Warning-
    2. Misleading Portion of Ads
    3. Urinary Retention Warning
    4. Withdrawal Symptoms Complaints
    5. Advisory Committee Review- Because of reports of serious side effects like liver damage and skin disease
    6. Blood Pressure Warning
    7. Serotonin Syndrome Warning
    8. Includes a black box warning

    read about it here: https://www.drugwatch.com/cymbalta/

    jk
    June 11, 2017 at 3:07 pm

    Supplemental Insurance, by definition, is required to pay on those charges Medicare Approves. If Medicare does not pay, neither will the Supplement pay. Your Insurance guy should have told you that.

    This is a personal decision. Seems a silly question to me. I don’t have a crystal ball that tells me I’m about to cross any line or I won’t need hospitalization or cancer treatment, or you name it….

    Let’s say IVIG costs, $10,000, ok, maybe only $8,000. Like this: Amount charged: $7,945.00 Medicare Approved: $3,001.50 I may be billed: $594.67

    These are real numbers.

    Let’s round up $594.67 to $600 and let’s say I get one infusion per month, which I do. $600*12 = $7,200

    My Medicare Supplemental Plan F costs $185 per month times 12 = about $2400. I know which one I choose.

    jk
    June 10, 2017 at 5:17 pm

    Something amiss with the math. 2g per kg. If you weighed 50kg, it is about 110 lbs. Therefore, for a 110 lb person, the ‘standard’ loading dose would be 100g. You say you got 5mg. 5mg= .005g

    Somebody else help with the math, that is 100/.005 or 1/20,000 of a normal dose. nu uh. Something amiss if that little bit gave you a major headache.

    Even a 10g dose is 1/10th the normal loading dose. Ask your doctor about infusion rates, how long does it take to get your infusion?

    jk
    June 10, 2017 at 5:06 pm

    There are some reports that Spinal Tap is positive in only 80% of cases. This website lists the following ways to Diagnose CIDP.

    “How is CIDP diagnosed? Diagnosis of CIDP is based on the symptoms of the patient: Symptoms such as loss of sensation (numbness), abnormal sensation (tingling and pain), loss of reflexes, and weakness (difficulty walking, foot drop)
    Tests such as nerve conduction and EMG (usually showing a demyelinating neuropathy), spinal fluid analysis (usually showing elevated protein with normal cell count), blood and urine tests (to rule out other disorders that may cause neuropathy and to look for unusual proteins)”

    Dr. Lewis expands on reflexes with this, “Deep tendon reflexes: Reflexes characteristically are diminished or absent even in regions with only mild weakness.” As well as other clinical (in the office) and laboratory tests.

    Do as BryanF says, If you haven’t been seen by a Dr. outside the ER you might consider finding a neurologist familiar with GBS?CIDP.

    jk
    June 7, 2017 at 12:11 pm

    From this website: No One Should Go Without Treatment If you have been denied treatment for IVIG, please let us know

    here: https://www.gbs-cidp.org/support/denied-ivig-treatments/

    And from IG Living: “Ultimately, regardless of diagnosis and insurer, your IVIG therapy coverage may come to depend on your persistence, the support of your treating physician and patience. Please contact IG Living if you need assistance: editor@igliving.com
    .

    jk
    June 7, 2017 at 12:05 pm

    There is on-line literature discussing a rare condition called Recurrent GBS. Medscape says, “The interval between attacks ranged between 4 months to 10 year (mean 39.5 month).”

    The Journal of Neurology, Neurosurgey & Psychiatry states, “Recurrent patients (mean age 34.2 years) were younger than non-recurrent patients (mean age 46.9; p = 0.001) and more often had MFS (p = 0.049) or milder symptoms (p = 0.011).”

    MFS means Miller Fisher Syndrome.

    This only means that it is possible to have a recurrence, particularly at your age. However, GBS like conditions lasting more than 8 weeks are generally considered to have become CIDP.

    Your anger at this condition, subsequent job loss and all your symptoms is understandable. It is fair to say that many members of this forum ,over the years, have experienced what you are having now.

    There is a Center of Excellence in Az. Barrow Neurological Institute 240 W Thomas Road, Suite 400
    Phoenix, AZ 85013 United States of America Suraj Muley, MD – 602 4066213 https://www.barrowneuro.org/

    Many organizations and some Church groups and counties offer free depression group sessions. Consider finding and attending one.

    If Phoenix is too far away, call them anyway and see if they are willing to refer you to someone closer.

    jk
    June 6, 2017 at 10:21 pm

    Mayo has Clinics in Jacksonville, Fl, Arizona and Minn. Please be a little more specific.

    CIDP is difficult to diagnose. Spinal tap can be inconclusive. Mine were. Throw other complications in, such as you have, and the degree of difficulty goes up, way up.

    I saw the following Doctors at Cleveland Clinic: Kerry Levin, Kamal Chemali; Debabrata Gosh.

    I saw these Doctors, and more, at Mayo Clinic Rochester, Minnesota: PJB Dyck, Tracy, Lieuluck.

    Mayo Clinic gave me a diagnosis but it took time. Cleveland Clinic did not give a diagnosis and, did not agree with the diagnosis Mayo gave me, given the same data to review.

    Pick a place you are comfortable with. I’ve heard good things about Hopkins.

    jk
    June 6, 2017 at 10:00 pm

    I currently receive IVIG paid for by Medicare at the local Cancer Infusion Center courtesy of the hematologist there who follows my prescribing doctors rx. If you can’t get paid at home, leave home.

    jk
    June 6, 2017 at 2:59 pm

    An insurance guy works on commission. You work for yourself. einsurance shows this, for example for PriorityMedicare Key (HMO-POS) Out-of-Pocket Maximum $4200 for services you receive from in-network providers.

    Out of pocket max. As stated above, and now by me, using Traditional Medicare and a Supplemental Plan, my out of pocket cost is the standard fee everybody pays for Medicare plus $185 month for the Supplemental Plan which pays my annual Medicre deductible and 100% of all Medicare approved services.

    Let’s round that off, $200 x 12 = 2400 out of pocket and I then pay nothing.

    Repeating, do your own homework. Study the coverages, exceptions, available in-network resources and the annual deductible plus copays. Look closely at the costs for specialists. Neurologists and hematologists and infusion centers are all likely specialists. Is the Infusion Center in-network?

    Tread carefully.

    start here: http://www.kiplinger.com/article/spending/T027-C001-S001-how-to-compare-medicare-advantage-plans.html

    jk
    June 3, 2017 at 4:14 pm

    Neither Medicare Part A (hospitalization) nor Medicare Part B (doctors and outpatient) will cover what we think of as standard, get at the drug store prescription (Rx) drugs.

    Unless you already have documented “Credible” Drug coverage you must choose and purchase a Medicare Part D plan. Which drugs are in their formulary (means drug list approved by them for use) and what
    tier Level determine the price and availability.

    Check carefully with the Part D Plan Administrator prior to initiating coverage.

    I used to take some, even all, of those meds. Although never all at once. I quit them all, one by one and haven’t taken any for years. The Part D Plan I have estimates a 90 supply of all of those exceeds $1,000.

    Back to keep your credible coverage or prepare to pony up.