Flossie

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  • June 29, 2007 at 7:32 pm

    Miami Girl,

    I am so sorry to hear of your dreadful experience with the new doctor. Unfortunately you are an example of how important it is to find a health team that “fits”.

    But I don’t think you should beat yourself up over trying to find a less expensive long term treatment for your CIDP. Every patient is different and you had no way to know that prednisone would be so bad for you in particular. I am not in a position to say money is no consideration either. I am deeply grateful to be a “cheap date” for whom prednisone works at this time.

    Welcome to the forum,
    Flossie

    June 29, 2007 at 7:13 pm

    There is no cure for CIDP. The various treatments are all trying to affect the attack on the myelin. Some peple are lucky and can be helped by prednisone. (Of course, some people are even luckier and only have one attack and then their myelin grows back in an optimistic 3 years.)

    Here are the treatment options that are taught by the University of Washington in St Louis’ school of medicine:
    [url]http://www.neuro.wustl.edu/neuromuscular/antibody/pnimdem.html#cidprx[/url]
    # Treatment
    * Try individual therapies sequentially
    * Response to one does not predict efficacy of others
    * Therapeutic modalities
    o Prednisone: 60 to 100 mg/day p.o., then taper
    + Start taper after: 3 to 6 months; or clinical improvement begins
    + Taper slowly
    1. Initially by 5 mg on alternate days q2 to 4 weeks until 80 mg and 10 mg
    2. Then by 2.5 mg on alternate days q2 weeks to 80 mg and 0 mg
    3. Then taper high day dose by 5 mg q 4 weeks until 40 mg and 0 mg
    4. Then by 2.5 mg q4 weeks
    5. Minimum dosage is qod if possible
    + Many CIDP patients will relapse if Prednisone is stopped without additional immunosuppression
    o Methylprednisolone (IV): 1 gram/day x5
    + Then intermittent (tapering) additional iv or oral doses (1 gram): Weekly to Monthly
    o Human Immune Globulin
    + 1g/kg/day x2; repeat q3 to 8 weeks
    + 400 mg/kg 1 to 2 times per week for 8 or more weeks
    o Cyclosporine A
    + Initial treatment when prednisone not indicated
    + Dose: 2.5 mg/kg b.i.d., then taper to monimum effective dose
    o Plasma Exchange
    o Azathioprine:
    + To lower corticosteroid or Cyclosporine dosage
    + Dose: 2.5 to 3 mg/kg
    o Methotrexate: 7.5 to 25 mg p.o. on weekends
    o Cyclophosphamide: Monthly IV pulse x 6; For refractory patients
    o ? Interferon α 2A
    ………………………………………

    All of the treatment options have side effects.

    I happen to be one of the lucky people who responded immediately to 60mg of prednisone for just 2 weeks. Unfortunately I also have on going CIDP which means I need to help of the drug to keep the constant attacks in check. Some times my taper schedule has been reduced too much and my symptoms return immediately. It’s a balancing act.

    I am not writing to influence people who know that IVIG is the drug that best treats their CIDP. I am just interjecting a consideration for any newbies that might check this thread that properly tapered prednisone does not necessarily give you diabetes, glaucoma, caratacts or osteoporosis. I have my blood sugar, eyes and bones checked regularly. I do take Actonel and vitamin supplements. I take the best care of my self that I can since I am forewarned of the risks of prednisone.

    And when prednisone stops working I can go down the list of other treatment options.

    Because CIDP is a rare disease we all owe it to ourselves to be actively informed and involved in our treatment decisions.
    Flossie

    June 28, 2007 at 3:59 pm

    Sheila,

    Is your docotor going to keep you on 60mg prednisone long term or does he plan to reduce the dosage slowly until you are taking the least amount necessary to keep the CIDP symptoms under control?

    I am one of those who is taking prednisone long term – 7 years at this point. Other than a 20 pound weight gain I do not have side effects. I am constantly adjusting my dosage to try and get it as low as possible. Unfortunately every time I catch a cold I need to boost the dosage and then slowly taper down again ( and again, and again, etc.). Right now I take 20mg every other day.

    It’s important to remember that every patient is different – but taking the lowest effective dose is important for everyone. Here are my 2 favorite web sites to tell you how to watch for, and possibly avoid, side effects from prednisone:
    [url]http://www.classkids.org/library/pred.htm[/url]
    [url]http://www.gihealth.com/html/education/drugs/prednisone.html[/url]

    I am taking prednisone because it works. For me, for now. When my CIDP symptoms require me to take dangerous amounts of the steroid my neurologist has the other treatments available.

    And yes, money is a consideration.
    Flossie

    June 8, 2007 at 5:50 pm

    Debs,

    I am lucky that my sensory problems are to the numb side of the scale and not additional pains. My neurologist does not think anyone should be in pain and has always been very proactive in medicating my discomfort even though my CIDP is mostly physical symptoms.

    I have steadily increased my neurontin dosage as I decreased my prednisone. I know I won’t ever be “well” but I am making incremental progress with my motor skills. As I become more active I have had problems with pain at night. Last year my neurologist added nortyptiline to help with that; plus it is an antidepressant and that has helped tremendously too.

    I am at 3200 mg neurontin a day and my neurologist is not happy to take it higher (I did not ask him why). So I am phasing in Lyrica and will be taking 150mg lyrica and 1600mg neurontin as well as the 50mg nortryptiline daily. I have only taken two 75mg bedtime lyrica so far and honestly think the foot “burning” and leg twitching have diminished at night (ya gotta love the placebo effect).

    Unfortunately the daytime “fuzzy” hands and legs that led to this thread are still pestering me. I assume that better medication for getting a better night’s sleep is supposed to take care of the problem.

    I did a search of the forum and see that most folks here think lyrica is just a more expensive version of neurontin. My local pharmacist said I probably couldn’t afford it without my insurance. (Right now I am using a sample bottle from the doctor’s office.) I assume it is more powerful since 150mg of lyrica is going to replace 1600mg of neurontin for me. And the nurse, who doesn’t make any money off the pills, specifically said that lyrica was better for sensory symptoms than neurontin.

    By the way, a specific side effect of Lyrica is weight gain. Just what I needed on top of the prednisone humps and lumps.
    Fluffily,
    Flossie

    June 6, 2007 at 12:35 pm

    Thank you all for your replies. I get so frustrated trying to figure out what is medically important with my symptoms and what is just entertainingly strange.

    I had a long talk with my neurologist’s nurse this morning. The doctor is having me taper onto Lyrica in place of some of my neurontin. She said Lyrica was even better at sensory symptoms than neurontin. And she recommended I get more rest.

    They are not currently worried about my knees going numb because I am not having any motor problems. I am supposed to call if there are any more symptoms or concerns. I am incredibly lucky to have such a nice neurologist and his staff.

    And I am lucky to have you folks here on the forum.
    Thanks again,
    Flossie

    April 25, 2007 at 8:22 pm

    Here is a web site about how doctors sort through possible peripheral neuropathies. Look through the list and see if there are more tests you want to ask your doctor about.

    An Algorithm for the Evaluation of Peripheral Neuropathy
    Ann Noelle Poncelet, M. D.
    February 15, 1998 – American Family Physician
    [url]http://www.aafp.org/afp/980215ap/poncelet.html[/url]

    I am sorry to hear about your frustration and pain. I am another patient who is helped tremendously by Neurontin – generic gabapentin.
    Flossie

    April 2, 2007 at 2:51 am

    I have been taking antioxidant supplements for a couple of years (See my post from May 20, 2006). I know they will not cure my CIDP but I feel they help my overall health.

    My favorite commercial pill includes curcumin – which is tumeric. It also contains grape skin and grape seed extracts, green tea extract, and the usual A,C,E vitamins plus minerals. There is no substitute for a diet rich in fresh foods – but there’s no way I could eat enough each day to include all the goodies in one pill.

    Look up curcumin in PubMed and you will see additional studies saying this is good for myelin.
    Flossie

    February 18, 2007 at 4:45 pm

    Have you seen this web site?

    [url]http://www.lowdosenaltrexone.org/[/url]

    Low Dose Naltrexone (LDN) has been around quite a while. I visit multiple sclerosis boards where patients report good outcomes with it.

    Flossie

    February 5, 2007 at 12:27 pm

    Ken,

    I was born in Santa Cruz, grew up in Berkeley and worked in San Francisco for years. Your photos bring back a lot of memories.

    The Santa Cruz boardwalk seemed old and rickety 50 years ago – surely that is not the same roller coaster that terrorized me as a child! What I remember best about the beach is how hot hot hot the sand was as I would run from my towel to the ice cream vendor.

    Your pictures of San Franciso and especially of the Golden Gate Bridge are gorgeous. I remember walking home in the Berkeley hills and watching the fog come thorugh the Golden Gate smothering the bay.

    Thanks for the links to your wonderful pictures!
    Flossie

    February 3, 2007 at 11:15 pm

    Hi Mary Ann,

    When I was first diagnosed my doctor did say that CIDP could go away. But there was no way to know ahead of time if I would be one of the lucky ones. (Turns out I am not.)

    Technically the “chronic” part of CIDP means that it took a “long” time to happen – as opposed to “acute” which means it happened suddenly. Unfortunately the majority of CIDP patients have progressive or relapsing forms of the condition so it seems as if the “chronic” stands for forever.

    Please don’t exercise to the point of pain. You have an illness which demands you listen to your body. You need to carefully balance the need to keep muscle tone versus exhaustion. Find an excercise routine that does not hurt your feet. Are your shoes and socks fitting properly?

    Prednisone can cause damage to bones and joints. Have you had an orthopedist take x rays of your shoulders? Do you get routine bone density tests? I take prednisone and am very faithful about taking my calcium supplements.

    I agree that damp heat makes me weak. I never take a bath unless I am sure someone will be home to help me out of the tub if necessary.

    Take care,
    Flossie

    January 15, 2007 at 6:26 pm

    And then there are the lucky patients like me.

    I have only been treated with prednisone for the past 5 years. (Never had IVIG.) I started at 60 mg a day for the first two weeks after my CIDP diagnosis and then slowly dropped the dosage. Now it goes up and down from 25 mg every other day to 15 mg depending on my symptoms – which depend on how well I stay away from people sick with a virus.

    Yes, I have my eyes checked regularly for glaucoma and cataracts; yes, I take extra calcium (which my family doctor suggests anyway since I am an older female); yes, I watch what and when I eat to keep the prednisone from upsetting my tummy; and yes, I have put on about 30 pounds which just will not go way.

    Not all people get all, or even any, of the notorious side effects. You need to talk with your doctor about your concerns and his plans to monitor you. Here are 2 excellent web sites about prednisone that will help you understand the side effects.
    [url]http://www.gihealth.com/html/education/drugs/prednisone.html[/url]
    [url]http://www.classkids.org/library/pred.htm[/url]

    Prednisone is working for me right now. When I need different treatment to keep my symptoms at bay my neurologist and I have the other options.

    Take care,
    Flossie

    January 12, 2007 at 5:51 pm

    Ninus – Thanks for the American Autoimmune Related Diseases Association web site. There are some excellent articles there.
    …………………………………..

    Taryn,

    I have a bunch of CIDP web sites that might entertain you while you wait for your next neurologist appointment. If you want to PM me I can send them to your email address. Then you can direct click on them instead of having to enter them by hand. There’s even an electron microscope photo of the myelin being stripped.

    I was told that rest and time could heal the effects of CIDP – once the attacks on the myelin have been stopped. It takes about three years to replace the miles of myelin in your body. Unfortunately for some of us we cannot stop the attack completely so the best we can get is a stalemate between losing and repairing myelin.

    Naturally you are frightened of the various chemicals used to stop the myelin attacks. But you do need something to get back your quality of life. Remember that not everybody gets any or all of the side effects of the drugs. Do your research, ask your neurologist questions, come to the forums for support.

    I had gradual symptoms for about 5 years before I mentioned them to my doctor – I thought I was getting old, or I just caught the flu more often than anybody else. My family doctor immediately used the word demyelinating and sent me to a neurologist. Within a week of starting the prednisone my CIDP symptoms began to subside – I haven’t had foot drop since. Of course I was also mean as a snake on high dose prednisone. Things are much better on the low doses – although I still see a mental health clinician on an irregular basis. It’s better my family learn to deal with stress issues rather than have the untreated CIDP put me in a wheel chair.

    My CIDP symptoms are always amplified with any illness. I hope you are being very careful about your cold.

    Flossie

    January 11, 2007 at 6:01 pm

    Hi Taryn,

    Your symptoms sound so much like mine – the pain, the weakness, even the teeth. The diary everyone is recommending is a great thing to take to the neurologist. Be sure to include the time of day when specific pains are routinely the worst.

    Is there a reason your current neurologist is not qualified to diagnose CIDP? Has anyone mentioned a spinal tap?

    Maybe I am just the luckiest person on these forums, but my neurologist diagnosed my CIDP as soon as the bloodwork eliminated the usual suspects and the MRI was completed. The spinal tap was just confirmation.

    I started prednisone within a week of my first neurologist visit and was amazed at the immediate relief. Five years later I am still maintaining on prednisone. My recent physical with my family doctor shows I am healthy as a horse – except for the CIDP.

    Come on over to the CIDP forum as well as here. There may be people there who can help but who have not checked the Main Forum recently.

    Flossie

    January 7, 2007 at 6:12 pm

    This sounds like the perfect prescription to ask my doctor for. And I am lucky enough to know where there is a compounding pharmacy.

    Unfortunately I could not google any info on “amitryp-bacio”. Is there any other information on the box? Brand name of the ingredients in the compound?

    I like to take my doctor a print out of what I am asking for so that I am sure the two of us are discussing the same thing. Somethimes my “patient English” is not his “doctor English”.

    Thanks for bringing this to my attention,
    Flossie

    December 26, 2006 at 10:30 am

    Leylim,

    I have been taking prednisone for 5 years. I sometimes have a high temperature for no apparent reason. My neurologist is not concerned.

    However, if I actually catch a cold then that virus makes my CIDP symptoms much worse. Then I must temporarily increase my prednisone dosage. I am very careful not to go places where I am likely to be exposed to illness. While taking prednisone exposure to measles or chicken pox or even the polio vaccine is dangerous!

    The prednisone does let me live a normal life as long as I get lots and lots of rest. I keep a careful watch for steroid side effects such as osteoporosis, diabetes, glaucoma, and cataracts.

    No one can tell if your father will completely recover from CIDP. Make sure he gets lots of rest and a good diet. It takes 3 years for the body to replace all the damaged myelin once the CIDP attacks have stopped. Unfortunately, if the CIDP is not controlled then the myelin continues to be destroyed.

    I hope your father will be one of the lucky ones who gets well.
    Have patience.
    Flossie