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  • June 21, 2010 at 8:02 pm

    Hi Dave,
    Sorry to hear about your problems with the prednisone. Has you doctor tried you on IV pulse doses of prednisone instead of daily dosage? Also, I see you mentioned insulin, which raises the question about the brand of IVIG. All IVIG products except Gamunex are processed using glucose, while Gamunex uses glycine in their processing. I had no success with other IVIG products over the years, but tried Gamunex 15 months ago and it has really helped me. My doc has me on a pretty agressive treatment plan now. Every three weeks I have PE followed by 500 mg IV solumedrol. The the following day I get 100 grams of Gamunex. I also take 2000mg cellcept daily. This protocal has stopped the progression and given me much more energy and stamina.
    As everyone says, different treatments produce different results, but some type of combination of therapies is something to talk with you doc about. Good luck and keep fighting.
    Fred

    June 2, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    Erin,

    Realizing everyone responds a little differently to the various brands of IVIG, the amount of time they are taking to infuse 45 grams seems to be extremely slow. Is your doctor giving you pre-meds to offset potential reactions? I have been getting 100 grams (Gamunex) every three weeks for the past 15 months and they infuse it at a 250 rate which gets a 20 gram bottle done in 45 minutes, so my total time in the op center is only about 4 1/2 hours. I get 1 benadryl tablet, 2 tylanol and 125mg iv prednisone 30 minutes prior to the start of the infusons. Only reaction I get is a slight facial rash and some itching about a week after infusion, but take oral prednisone for 2-4 days and that goes away.
    Talk to your doctor about pre-meds if you are not getting any, and if so, ask him if they can increase the rate, and if not, ask him about taking the dose over two days. It can be frustrating, but stay after them. Good luck.

    Oh, one other thing. You can talk to your doctor about brands of IVIG. All brands except Gamunex are processed with glucose, while Gamunex is processed with amino acids. Clinical studies have shown some patients have fewer reactions to Gamunex and have longer lasting benifits. When I started my IVIG, the hospital pharmacy stocked another brand processed with glucose so my doctor stated “brand specific” and the hospital orders it in for me based on physician orders. Gamunex was FDA approved for CIDP in September 2008, so your medicade should allow it.

    May 11, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    I agree with Bill’s suggestion about the dextrose in all IVIG products except Gamunex which uses amino acids as its base. I too had similar reactions to IVIG and now get IV solumedrol, 125 mgs along with the pre-medications you mentioned. This, combined with a slower infusion rate has pretty much eliminated any reactions. I keep in reserve, 10mg prednisone tablets which I can take should I experience any reactions (itching or rash) after the infusion. Have only used this 2-3 times in the past year. Usually take 20mg a day for 2 days, then
    10mg for 2 days and that does the trick.
    I am getting 100 grams every three weeks and neuro has prescribed brand specific, so I only get Gamunex. Good luck with future infusions.

    March 28, 2010 at 6:07 pm

    hopalong,
    I posted back to you on my thread earlier, but wanted you to keep after this thing. Over the years (since 1996) I have tried everything anyone has posted about and think the key to my ability to remain functional has been the willingness on my doc to try different medications, protocols and combinations of things. My best success has been PE with 500 mg iv solumedrol. Time frames have varied over the years from daily, to weekly, monthly, sometimes as long a six months between exchanges. Considering the significant muscle loss I had sustained over the years, I have been fortunate to lead a semi normal life.
    A year and a half ago I was in a quick decline and was preping for a chair, but then saw the FDA approval on the new IVIG, Gamunex, which is processed with glycene rather than glucose. The clinical information seemed to indicate better results than traditional IVIG products, so I convinced my doc to try it in combination with PE and solumedrol ( I did not respond to other IVIG products in the past). This combination has kept me out of the chair, and actually helped me get stronger. This side effects from the last infusion is a bit discouraging, but then when you look back over the years, there have been a lot of discouraging times, but something different always seems to pop up and we get a new lease on things. With GBS in ’85 and the total imobility, I know all to well where the bottom really is, so word of.
    encouragement, never ever give up or lose hope.
    If you are not doing so, I strongly suggest you keep a diary of what happens and your reactions to various treatments, time sequences, ect. I have kept a diary since 96 when this all started and am able to discuss things with my doctor from a specific reference point which eliminates some of the guess work. Good luck to you and keep after it.

    March 28, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    Thanks everyone. They were originally infusining at 400, but had immediate side effects and got them to slow it to 300, but still did not do well, so finally at 250, all of the immediate side effects stopped, but still had that sluggish feeling for a couple of days. I noticed my “down time” or recovery from the infusions had been increasing over the past couple of months, then after this last one (2 weeks ago) is when the swallowing and chewing difficulties started. The 3 days of 500 mg IV prednisone helped, but still not back to pre reaction levels. I can chew solid foods again, so thats a plus.

    Guess I am spoiled because I had done so well for so long that I’ve forgotten how much and how quickly this disease can change. Supposed to hear from my neuro tomorrow (he’s been out of town for a week and no one else in the practice would make any changes other than the solumedrol), so guess he will offer his opinion on the possible problems with Gamunex.

    Hopalong, have you tried PE? Over the years that served me very well. The Gamunex was added to the PE, solumedrol protocal just to see if it would do anything. As I posted, I made significant overall progress with it and PE together until this last go around. Good luck to you and hang in there.

    Julie, I’ve followed your posts for a long time and am sorry to hear about your current difficulties, but happy to hear the sub-Q protocol is helping. Based on your results, I plan to ask my doc about this as a possible alternative in the event rate or brand change does not solve the problem.

    I appreciate everyone’s feed back.

    March 25, 2010 at 9:27 am

    Have been doing all of this in that I make sure that I only get the brand name as it comes in individually pre packaged 20 mg bottles. They tried to slip a generic in on the first infusion, but I refused to take it. Just finished three days if IV solumedrol and that really has me upside down. Just seems so weird that its been helpful and non problematic for over a year,then out of the blue, these difficult side effects. I have also tried cytoxin with no succcess, and have been taking cellcept for many years with no side effects.
    You would think that after 15 years I would get the hang of these bumps along the way, but I guess when things are going well you tend to block out the bad stuff along the way. Thanks to all

    March 22, 2010 at 7:47 pm

    Short and simple. I used Dick’s T cell explaination to my son and daughter earlier today and they actually got it! thanks

    March 22, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    I get 125mg IV solumedrol and benadryl as premeds, 30 minutes prior to Gamunex. Get 100 grams infused at 250. Also take 2000 mg cellcept daily. The PE is every three weeks, with Gamunex the following day. Using this protocal since December of 09.
    What has my doctor perplexed is that in years past IVIG had no effect on the CIDP. When Gamunex was FDA approved, we decided to try this brand because it is processed with glycine instead of glucose and in clinicals, some patients responded more favarobly and had longer lasting results. After two infusions of Gamunex, I began to see improvement up to the point where I was able to squat into a baseball catcher stance and push myself up off the floor. Can no longer do that, balance is slowing getting worse, then this most recent incident with chewing and swallowing.
    Just seems so strange to be on a medication for a year with no problems, then out of nowhere. Perhaps just another quirk with this crazy disease.
    Thanks for the feed back.

    December 6, 2009 at 1:13 pm

    Buck,

    I’ve been on PE off and on for over 12 years now and it has proven to be the most responsive of all the treatments I’ve had over the years (dx 96).
    Initially I was using ports for the treatments, but infections on five of them in less than four years put an end to PE that way.
    I now get my PE treatmnets with needles in both arms for the past five years, with no problems. Currently, they do a three liter albumin exchange which takes just under two hours.
    For the past year I have a PE every three weeks with 500 mgs IV solumedrol, then the following day I get 100 grams of Gamunex(IVIG Brand specific). After years of continued slow decline, this protocal has stabilized me.
    Stay after your doc if the prednisone isn’t doing it for you. Good luck.
    Fred

    October 20, 2009 at 6:44 pm

    Thanks Kelly and diagnonsense.
    I just found out that the new insurance has to retain me for 18 months as the primary carrier and I can use medicare as secondary coverage which may pay some of the deductibles and co pays, etc. I am hoping that if the new insurance company accepts the doctor’s letter of medical necessity for PE, medicare will follow suit and accept it too. Time will tell.
    Fred

    October 13, 2009 at 5:00 pm

    It is my understanding that pulse doses, IV, offer the same results without most of the side effects, such as mood swings, eating everything in site, sugar elevation, ulcers, etc. When I was switched from daily oral to pulse IV dosage, all of the side effects went away. They do lab work every six months to check liver, kidney, gluclose,etc. I have been on the pulse IV sloumedrol every three weeks for several years now without problems. I get 500 mg of solumedrol the day of plasma exchange, then 125 mg the following day prior to Gamunex as a pre-med, and repeat every three weeks.
    Would be interested to hear if any of your doctors agree with mine regarding pulse IV doses. Thanks for any input.
    Fred

    October 13, 2009 at 4:45 pm

    Hi Tim,

    Just curoius about the Gamunex. Did you use other IVIG products prior to Gamunex and were they as effective? I had been on other IVIG products off on on over the years (dx in 1996) but they never helped. I switched to Gamunex in December because it is processed diferently, and have seen improvement. IV solumedrol every three weeks keeps my pain under control much of the time. Low back, knees and feet are my problem areas.
    I’m getting 100 grams of Gamunex every three weeks the day after plasma exchange. Also take 200 mg of Cellcept daily.
    Sure is interesting how much treatments vary.
    Fred

    October 6, 2009 at 1:39 pm

    Regarding your IVIG questions, Bill is correct about Gamunex being sucrose free. It is the only IVIG product processed using glycene instead of a sugar base. The FDA approved Gamunex for the treatment of CIDP in September of 08. I was diagnosed in 1996 and have tried unsuccessfully over the years other IVIG products, but when we switched to Gamunex, brand specific, I experienced improvement very quickly. So based on my experience, brand did make a difference. Pre-meds (benadryl and prednisone)and a slower infusion rate seem to minimize side effects.
    As you will read on this site, we all seem to have varying results from same or similar treatments, so what works for one may not be effective for someone else. Communicate with your doctor and discuss the various treatment protocals out there and keep searching until you get the one that works for you.

    September 11, 2009 at 2:55 pm

    Hi Jet,
    I have been on and off prednisone for the past 13 years with good and not so good results. Oral prednisone tends to cause significant weight gains and if taken daily over extended periods of time can cause kidney damage. I was on 60 mg a day for over a year at one time. Pulse doses (every other day) tend to lower the risks of the drug. I also tried the chemos, IVIG, imunosupressants, IV Solumedrol pulse doses and PE over the years. PE with a 500mg IV of solumedrol varying from weekly to monthly slowed the progression somewhat, but never really stopped it.
    In December of 08, I was ready to start using a wheel chair, could hardly stand because of weakness and my balance was so bad I used a scooter when I went out, which was seldom.

    When the foundation sent out the notice that Gamunex had been approved for CIDP, I talked my neuro into letting me try it even though prior IVIG teatments were ineffective. He agreed to a rather aggressive new treatment plan which calls for PE every three weeks, followed by the 500mg IV of solumedrol, then the following day, I get 200mg of Gamunex (brand specific). Gamunex is processed using glucene, an amino acid, where as all of the other IVIG products a processed using gulcose. I get pretty hiper for about two days after the solumedrol, but after that I get back to normal, whatever that means. It took three months to get my insurance company to approve the new treatment protocal and I started my first Gamunex on Christmas eve and finished at 3:00 A.M. Christmas morning.

    Now, just eight months later my doctors says the progression of my CIDP has stopped for the first time since diagnosed (1996) and , thought he cannot explain why after all of this time, there is some nerve regeneration and I can do physical activities that I have not been able to do in years, I seldom use my scooter when I go out, walk almost normally again and can drive for extended periods of time. I still take my cane with me as my balance is not back a 100% yet, but I’m getting close. Any sleep difficulties from the steriods is controlled with a small dose (.025mg) of Halcion, an older generation drug. I also keep some Xanax on hand in case of a panic or anxioty attack.
    Sorry to ramble, but my point is that there is hope and sometimes it may take more than one treatment to put the disease in check. We all respond differently to the various medications, but the key to beating this thing is being aggressive with treatments until you find the one, or combination that works for you.
    I don’t post often, but read the posts often. I notice that most CIDP’ers are being treated with one protocal at a time, which works for some and not for others. For me that never worked, but this new three pronged approach has been the “silver bullet” I have been searching for since ’96 and has been a real game changer for us. My wife and I just got back from a 2600 mile road trip through the upper midwest, then two weeks later went to the coast for the weekend and next week are headed to the northeast to visit family and friends. All things I could not do just a few months ago.
    Christmas Miracles do happen! Just something for consideration. Best to all, and never,ever give up.
    Fred

    September 11, 2009 at 2:01 pm

    Sue,
    Sounds like you have some good local choices for a new doctor. Two of the neuros at the Chicago symposium last year recommeded Jonathan Glass at Emory Medical in Atlanta. He is their rare neuro disease go to guy. Also there is Dr Carol Koski at the University of Maryland medical center. She is on the GBS/CIDP medical board of advisors. Good luck
    Fred