Afo’s and physical therapy
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AnonymousJune 12, 2007 at 9:37 pm
Hello everyone. I’ve havent posted much lately but have “checked in” often to try to stay updated with everyone. There are so many new people here just in a few short weeks and all I can say is “wow”…to all the support all of you give. I hope I can help someone someday like so many of you have helped me and others with your wishes and information and prayers.
I am wondering about AFO’s…I think that’s what they are called. I am noticing that my foot drop is getting worse and curious if this could help me. When do you really need them and which would be the best kind to get ? When does someone really need a cane ? I can walk comfortably with a grocery cart or my hubby’s hand/arm.
I’ve never been sent to physical or physio ? therapy. Should I ask for this ? What would I expect from that ? I am weak and even right now typing i notice a big change in strength.
IVIG didnt work and so far high dose steroids arent working either. What am I in for with this ? Does it just continue to get worse very slowly ? Any changes I have are always very subtle and come on slow. My doctor doesnt really know. Maybe he doesnt really want to tell me….what should I expect to be like in five years ?
Stacey
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AnonymousJune 12, 2007 at 9:51 pm
Stacey I would ask for PT for sure you, if you are still having problems. If you still have problems with your hands and doing tasks that you used to do before with out any problem I would say you might want to get OT also. They will be able to work with you over a few weeks and watch your progress as they give you hints on what to watch for. Sometimes it is mind over matter and you just are not concentrating like you should be. You might be taking too long of a stride or too tiny of a step. I like to take a cane when I know I might have to wait in line or I have to walk farther than usual and I know I might get tired. For example, a mall where there is no shopping carts or where there is going to be steps with no railing and I am by myself. Rehab can also see if you need to get the AFO but does not sound like you would be using them very long! Keep up the good work!
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AnonymousJune 13, 2007 at 12:06 am
Stacey,
My best friend had GBS in 1987 (two years after me – we became friends afterwards). She unfortunately always had foot drop and could never really walk properly. She uses the crutches that have a ‘cuff’ around your arm, just below your elbow, with a handle for her hands (I’m sure you know which ones i mean). This for her was less cumbersome than a walker, and far more effective than a stick. When she is at home then she normally puts them to one side and walks around holding onto the wall when necessary. They are just part of her life ….. Also, she really should wear AFO’s (ones that are designed to go beyond the knee for knee support too), but hasnt because the ones she got hurt her – as a result, her feet and knees have become worse over the years – in fact her legs bend the other way at her knees when she stands, and we are all getting rather concerned. I havent said that to scare you at all, just thought I would mention it to you so that when you go to the PT / OT or doc, you can discuss this with them as it obviously has become worse for you to have noticed.
I think nowadays they make AFO’s out of really ‘comfortable’ material and they dont hurt like the hard plastic we had in the 80’s 😉 . If memory serves, one of our members ‘bad mommy’ spoke about her AFO’s and said they were very comfortable (I think it was last year, or the year before). Maybe you could pm her and ask her what type etc she has, however I’m sure there are many members who have good suggestions. -
AnonymousJune 13, 2007 at 8:15 am
Ali,
It’s definitely worsened to the point of me noticing. I almost hate to walk alone (like to the parking lot from my office) without my hubby to help. I would be so embarrassed to fall.
Last night I was holding my feet up and had him put his hand against the bottom of them. I pushed my foot as if pushing a gas pedal against his hand and was fine. Then I had him push my foot toward me to help me hold it up and then let go to see if I could hold it up. The foot immediately fell down limp. On the other foot, the inner side fell…like from the big toe down on the inner side. The big toe on that side is leaning toward my other toes as if I have a big bunion…and I dont. Not a big one anyway. 🙂
It was very scarey to see my foot fall like that when he let go. I tried to walk on my tip toes and couldnt.
I couldnt walk on them when diagnosed but was able to again just before we stopped all the IVig. I’m back to where I was. I’m back to very much noticing my left foot is dragging and I have to be very careful and certain to pick it all the way up when I walk. My dr told me after my first visit with him and emg/ncv many months ago that he was surprised at how well I walk. I wonder if he still thinks that.I think it’s time for antidepressants b/c I am so scared. I cry alot when I am alone. I dont want my hubby or my sweet little boy to see me. I just want to be happy again. I want to be myself. I want to walk without fear. I want something to work to make this stuff stop.
I want what all of you want. I hope someday, we get it.happy Wednesday everyone.
It’s gonna be a hot and humid one here in Omaha.Stacey
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AnonymousJune 13, 2007 at 8:37 am
Stacey,
As I have said in many posts before, I hate taking meds …. and I HATE ‘pushing’ them too …. however, it is worth taking if it will help with the quality of your life. The biggest reason for starting to take mine was my family. I didnt want to be the mommy who couldnt do anything, who was always sleeping and always ‘grumpy’ because of depression and pain. Make no mistake, that does still happen, only less frequently 😀 . It really has made the world of difference to me Stacey, it will hopefully help you too.
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AnonymousJune 13, 2007 at 4:20 pm
Google – Insightful Products and check out the Blaze or the Steo Smart Braces. I wear one on each ankle everday and they are the best I have found in 10 years. Hope it helps. You will need a prescription for a podiatrist to get them but they will send your Dr. everything in a kit.
Michael
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AnonymousJune 13, 2007 at 5:16 pm
Stacey, I can feel with you. This thing can be really scary and frustrating when you can’t do what you used to and don’t know where you are headed with it.
My neuro mentioned PT over a year ago but I’ve ignored it until now. I guess I didn’t think I needed it plus I shy away from exercising. Now since I had to spend six weeks in a wheelchair because of my fractured knee, I was so weak afterwards that I finally agreed. I started PT two weeks ago and I am glad I did. A lot of what we do has really less to do with the knee than with problems caused by the CIDP, like balance, the right way to walk and overall strengthening. The homework right now consist of 9 fairly easy exercises I can do in 20 minutes. I can send you a copy of the instruction sheets if you give me your e-mail (don’t post it, send me a personal message, this avoids spam). During the half-hour sessions he is pushing me to do more and more. Last week he put me on an exercise bike for a few minutes. I was really scared but did fine, pedalling was easy at low resistance settings. I was so surprised i could do it. This morning he said:”OK, I want you to use your cane instead of the walker and walk with me outside around the parking lot.” He walked next to me holding on to a belt he had strapped around my waist. It was pretty tiring and I felt scared at times, esp. when I had to walk down some steps or step up the curb.
Every situation is different and they adjust what they have you do based on what you need and can do. I think it’s worthwhile.
Take care
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AnonymousJune 13, 2007 at 6:39 pm
Hi Stacey, I live about 2 2-1/2 hours north of Omaha in South Yankton Ne. right near the bridge into Yankton SD. Anyway, I am been bouncing around to different doctors. I finally found a primary who would really listen. The Neuro I was seeing in Norfolk was injecting me with steroids, putting them in my IVIG and prescribing Prednison and Cellcept. I have been feeling awful in every way possible since then. The Dr. today took me off the Cellcept and weaning me off Pred. since you can’t go cold turkey. And I am seeing a new Neuro. when I can get an appointment. I am going to be 68 so I dont exercise too much and enjoy by power chair. However, PLEASE be very careful with that dropfoot. I fell twice because off it. I now have it in both feet and only walk with my afo’s and a walker. Someone on here said, when you are sitting write the alphabet with you toes. Good exercise.
I heard there is a terrific Lady Neurologist at Creighton Univ. and she does out-clinics. I did not get her name, but you may do some looking. I get IVIG every 2 months and take Lyrica and Cymbalta for pain in my legs. I did PT and OT and got the strength back in my upper legs, but nothing below the knees. Keep fighting and maybe looking into Creighton Univ. Neuro. Dept. I wish you and you family the very best–Cymbalta really helps with that depression. Get Better Slowly.
PS–you can tell I am over medicated, thoughts running everywhichway!!! -
AnonymousJune 13, 2007 at 6:41 pm
Stacey, just reread your post and wanted to add another comment:
I’ve been on Prozac for many years because I used to wake up in the middle of the night with terrible feelings of anxiety. This was before CIDP. I don’t care that they call it “the happy pill.” Now, it helps me deal with my situation better and I only once in a while feel down. It does not – like some people claim – make me lose my normal range of emotions. I can get excited, happy, angry or whatever. I don’t give up and try to push myself – which makes me feel good. I also have a good sense of humor – most of the time.
Carol is in Oklahoma to visit her mom for a week and I am alone in the house. I made some plans for what I wanted to accomplish while she was gone. One was to replace one of the sprinkler heads. She does most of the work outside and I wanted to contribute because I feel bad not being able to help. A little while ago I went outside with my walker to do it. Our lawn in the back is sloped a lot and I had a heck of a time getting to the far side of the fence. That old sprinkler head wouldn’t budge because my hands aren’t strong enough any more. So I went back in to rest for a while and try again later. I finally succeeded. I still have to test it. Water may squirt out all over the place because I didn’t screw it in tight enough. But not today.
I don’t think without the Prozac I would do crazy things like that.
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AnonymousJune 13, 2007 at 10:00 pm
unless they ask for it. That’s been my experience…I could tell after about 6 months that I was regaining some muscle strength but losing the muscle tone that’s needed to keep the strength and gradually gain back more.
Neuros really don’t think about it as they aren’t focusing on your whole overall body. I have never been denied the PT as my insurance allows for it. Just be sure that the ‘orders’ include a PLAN for a Home Program…meaning exercises you can do at home easily, safely and with little equipment [such as a ‘band’]. The usual program is 4-6 weeks, 3 times a week…I prefer to ‘stretch’ it out by appointments 2 times a week for longer =same number of appointments. I find I can do more ‘homework’ in-between and build myself up better, plus being corrected if I start to do some exercises wrong.. If you bring home good exercises to do, this gives you time to not only do them, but do them better…
My programs included, walking better, leg, ankle and foot strengthening and building up hand, wrist and arm strength as well. A good therapist can help you be more whole and stable all around.
The only support I ever use is called ‘vetwrap’ – an animal version of those elastic wraps that are disposable – at half the cost. When I had foot issues a while ago, my podiatrist gave me some ‘pre-wrap’ a soft liner as the wrap itself can rub a bit. I find that it can give me lots of support, breathes, does not rub raw, and is flexible… plus since it’s self-sticking, you can adjust it if wrapped too tight. Always do it looser than you think, then snug it up with practice. If you can’t find pre-wrap, use an old sock under the wrap -our skins tend to be more tender than most folks.
I do hope this helps
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AnonymousJune 13, 2007 at 10:00 pm
unless they ask for it. That’s been my experience…I could tell after about 6 months that I was regaining some muscle strength but losing the muscle tone that’s needed to keep the strength and gradually gain back more.
Neuros really don’t think about it as they aren’t focusing on your whole overall body. I have never been denied the PT as my insurance allows for it. Just be sure that the ‘orders’ include a PLAN for a Home Program…meaning exercises you can do at home easily, safely and with little equipment [such as a ‘band’]. The usual program is 4-6 weeks, 3 times a week…I prefer to ‘stretch’ it out by appointments 2 times a week for longer =same number of appointments. I find I can do more ‘homework’ in-between and build myself up better, plus being corrected if I start to do some exercises wrong.. If you bring home good exercises to do, this gives you time to not only do them, but do them better…
My programs included, walking better, leg, ankle and foot strengthening and building up hand, wrist and arm strength as well. A good therapist can help you be more whole and stable all around.
The only support I ever use is called ‘vetwrap’ – an animal version of those elastic wraps that are disposable – at half the cost. When I had foot issues a while ago, my podiatrist gave me some ‘pre-wrap’ a soft liner as the wrap itself can rub a bit. I find that it can give me lots of support, breathes, does not rub raw, and is flexible… plus since it’s self-sticking, you can adjust it if wrapped too tight. Always do it looser than you think, then snug it up with practice. If you can’t find pre-wrap, use an old sock under the wrap -our skins tend to be more tender than most folks.
I do hope this helps
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AnonymousJune 13, 2007 at 10:18 pm
Where to start.
Thank you everyone for your words. I will talk to my dr on Tues about something for support. It seems that I may need to go to a podiatrist for that …the brace or wrap ? And, Michael, welcome back. I havent seen you here for a while. I hope things are better for you.
The wrap sounds like something I had done several years ago b/c of a heal spur. He wrapped my foot to help with the pain. I bet that is similar to what you are talking about homeagain.
Regina, I think a friend of mine has a cabin near you. It may be on the SD side. I have heard of the lady neuro at the med center or Creighton…I recently met someone newly diagnosed with MS that goes to her. I cant think of her name now, but have heard many good things about her.
When I was first diagnosed and trying to escape it, I wanted to go for another opinion. I didnt try the University…I called another big neuro office from the phone book and was told I’d have to bring all of my medical records in and the dr’s would look at them and then DECIDE if they wanted to take my case. I thought that was a crock. They get to choose if they want me, what if none did, and I’m stuck. Why cant I choose them !
I do like my dr. I dont like his diagnosis.Norb, your will and determination is admirable… Very much so.
I am interested in the exercises and will pm you. I will ask the dr about the PT for sure. Can he prescribe the “happy pills” or do we have to go the family doc for that ? I’m still looking for a good primary dr. I dont want something that makes me tired.I know that I am getting worse and I dont know if this is what they call a relapse or just a continuing nightmare. I know the steroids arent helping. I’m worse. I want to go back to the IVig. I wonder if I can ? At least then, I was staying the same….or close to it.
thank you everyone for your help.
Stacey
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AnonymousJune 13, 2007 at 11:25 pm
STACEY,
I’m glad you mentioned the things that are bothering you. When I fell again in the medical center where my doctor’s office was in MD before I moved to IL, they coded me! When my Dr. arrived, she said that it was time for me to get AFO’s. I haven’t fallen since and wear them almost constantly. Mine were customed- formed and have only needed adjustment once in two years.I am in my second round of PT and had to ask for it from the neuro. My primary had prescribed water-therapy and I found that very helpful. It’s important not to over-extend in exercise or it can be anti-productive.
Has your neuro ever prescribed plasmapheresis? If the IVIG and steroids are not working, the blood/albumin exchange might be helpful. It was the first round of treatment for me and provided some improvement in strength.
It sounds to me like you might want to explore another neuro. Since our disease is rare, many aren’t much acquainted with what is best.
I wish you my best.
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AnonymousJune 14, 2007 at 11:32 am
Stacey, I didn’t read your last post before I emailed the exercises. I am sure the neuro can prescribe the “happy pills” if you make a good case for it. I am sticking with Prozac because there is a generic form “Fluoxetine” which is cheap. I only pay around $1 copay. I have high enough bills for all the other meds I need. Cymbalta – probably lots more expensive – used by many here works the same as Prozac by increasing the available serotonin in the brain. It also does something more. It increases norepinephrine which helps against nerve pain. I have not pain (yet) so Prozac is just fine for me. And it doesn’t seem to make me tired. I quit taking it for a while some time ago and I don’t recall any difference as far as being less tired.
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AnonymousJune 14, 2007 at 6:02 pm
How often is plasma exchange ? And I am lucky that I dont have pain either. I did when I got the IVig…I had bad aches that moved around.
I got on the website that Mac mentioned. Very big reality check. I didnt realize that the AFO’s come up your calf. To support the ankle, I guess they would. Another new symptom I am having is that my brain is foggy, too. Takes time to think of what to type and words dont come out when I am talking.
Anyway, back to the AFO’s….do they keep your ankle from moving or are they flexible ? Are they a brace that keeps them stiff ?I know some type of some kind of brace is in my future. I just know.
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