Presidential Candidates

    • Anonymous
      August 27, 2006 at 4:02 am

      This is an unlikely place to conduct a presidential poll but the results could be interesting. I haven’t seen a poll on the new website but that, if someone can improve my thread, please help.

      The questions are:
      *The Democratic candidate
      *The Republican candidate

      And, because I am from New York and curious, is Senator Clinton electable to a national office?

      Regards,
      Marge

      Let the games begin!

    • Anonymous
      August 27, 2006 at 7:16 am

      Here is the long list

      The nominees from just NY: Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton, Republican Rudolph W. Giuliani and the Reform Party candidate, Michael R. Bloomberg.

      Announced candidates for the Democratic Party:

      Senator Joe Biden of Delaware (Unite Our States PAC)
      Senator Christopher Dodd of Connecticut (Senate site)
      Former Senator Mike Gravel of Alaska (Campaign Site)

      Candidates who have formed exploratory committees or have expressed serious interest

      Senator Evan Bayh of Indiana (All America PAC)
      Senator Barbara Boxer of California (PAC For a Change)
      Retired General Wesley Clark of Arkansas (WesPAC – Securing America)
      Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York (HILLPAC)
      Former Senator John Edwards of North Carolina (One America Committee)
      Senator Russ Feingold of Wisconsin (Progressive Patriots Fund)
      Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts (Keeping America’s Promise)
      Governor Bill Richardson of New Mexico
      Governor Tom Vilsack of Iowa (Heartland PAC)
      Former Governor Mark Warner of Virginia (Forward Together PAC)

      Republican Party
      Announced Candidates for the Republican Party:
      John H. Cox of Illinois

      Candidates who have formed exploratory committees or have expressed serious interest:
      Senator George Allen of Virginia (Good Government for America Committee)
      Senator Sam Brownback of Kansas (Restore America PAC)
      Senator Bill Frist of Tennessee (Volunteer PAC)
      Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich of Georgia
      Former Mayor Rudy Giuliani of New York City (Solutions America PAC)
      Senator Chuck Hagel of Nebraska (Sandhills PAC)
      Governor Mike Huckabee of Arkansas (Hope for America PAC)
      Senator John McCain of Arizona (Straight Talk America)
      Governor George Pataki of New York (21st Century Freedom PAC)
      Governor Mitt Romney of Massachusetts (The Commonwealth PAC)
      Representative Tom Tancredo of Colorado (Team America PAC)

      Third parties
      Constitution Party
      Actively pursuing or interested in candidacy for the Constitution Party: None yet.

      Green Party
      Actively pursuing or interested in candidacy for the Green Party:

      Rebecca Rotzler, Green Party co-chair
      Kat Swift

      Libertarian Party
      Announced candidates for the Libertarian Party:

      George Phillies, Libertarian activist and physics professor from Massachusetts (Campaign Site)
      Doug Stanhope, comedian from Arizona (Campaign Site)
      Steve Kubby, Libertarian activist
      Actively pursuing or interested in candidacy:
      Lance Brown, Libertarian activist (Campaign Site)

      Prohibition Party
      Actively pursuing or interested in candidacy for the Prohibition Party:
      Gene Amondson

      Reform Party
      Actively pursuing or interested in candidacy for the Reform Party: None yet.

      Socialist Party USA
      Actively pursuing or interested in candidacy for the Socialist Party USA: None yet.

      Independents
      Actively pursuing or interested in candidacy

      Steve Adams, Software Requirements Engineer, Part Time Pastor
      Cassandra Hefton, Art Dealer
      Daniel Imperato, International Businessman
      David Koch / Ken Goldstein [3], Unaffiliated independent Candidates
      Howard Stern, Sirius Satellite Radio Host

    • Anonymous
      August 27, 2006 at 7:48 am

      Wow! Thanks, John.

      Regards,
      Marge

    • Anonymous
      August 27, 2006 at 7:51 am

      Fellow Voters,

      This is your chance to make comments about any candidate…negative, positive, thoughtful, emotional, whatever.

      Regards,
      Marge

    • Anonymous
      August 27, 2006 at 11:28 am

      Although I think Senator Hillary Clinton would make a great President, it will never happen. The powers that be won’t allow a woman President, especially Hillary, many do not like her.

      I am liking Senator Joe Biden for the Presidency. I think he would be great.

    • Anonymous
      August 27, 2006 at 11:47 am

      Hi,

      Anyone is electable. There’s proof in the Whitehouse as I write this. Bush has earned the honor of now being the most devisive president in American history. Not bad for a guy who says himself “I’m a uniter, not a divider”. Hillary Clinton will only carry that on, regardless of how qualified she is. The R’s will gaurentee it. Right now, Joe Biden, in my opinion, is the man. A centerist with common sence, and he knows how to govern, and a person that can bring this nation back together. A common sence man, that actually listens to both sides, intead of just letting the other side be heard, then doing what he wants anyway. Like the R’s have been doing since ’94. Wait till the R’s have enough votes in congress to get their special intrests taken care of, then hear from the D’s for window dressing. Bill Frist admitted this point blank with his own words. We only hear the other side when we know our side has a done deal.
      Bush is shaping his legacy up. He’ll do it by only letting the good papers out, or evedince, and make everything else top secret for 50 years. Just like he’s been doing from day 1.

    • Anonymous
      August 27, 2006 at 1:09 pm

      I think Rudy Guilliani would make the worst president, way to much ego going on with him. He was wonderful when 9/11 happened, but running the country,
      never.

    • Anonymous
      August 27, 2006 at 2:06 pm

      Dear Marc:

      Abraham Lincoln was the most divisive president by any scale one could possibly think of. His election gaurenteed a civil war, but it also put an end to that great evil, slavery. In this case, divisivness was a good thing. Modern politics are infinitely tamer and less divisive than they were in the 1800’s. Actually, it isn’t even close.

      As for Hillary Clinton, being a conservative, I hope the Democrats nominate her. Even in New York and Arkansas, the number of people who said they would never vote for her in any circumstances is between 40 and 47 percent among likely voters. In almost every red state, Hillary’s negatives are above 50 percent. Since winning two or three red states is essential for any Democrat to get elected, a nomination for Hillary means an election for a Republic president.

      I also like Joe Biden as a Democratic nominee. He has a history of saying some seriously goofy things in the heat of partisan political battles. Using his own words against him would be the Republicans best campaign strategy. If the Democrats want to nominate someone who is even remotely capable of winning an election, then John Edwards might take enough populist votes to take a red state or two and Barak Obama has a ton of charisma and some brains, although he may make a better candidate in 2012.

      Anyone who is a Senator is unelectable. There are just too many votes one has to make. More public stands just means more ammunition your opponents will have to use against you. The next president will more than likely be a state governor and maybe even a mayor of a large city.

      Lee

    • Anonymous
      August 27, 2006 at 3:10 pm

      If we can’t have a third term for President Bush, I’ll take Pat Buchannan.

    • Anonymous
      August 27, 2006 at 6:23 pm

      Hey Lee,

      You mean, in your own mind, Lincoln was the most devisive. What happened after he was shot, and his VP took the office? Before you make excuses for him too, he did everything in his power to squash out civil liberties that was to go along with Lincoln freeing the slaves. He was sucsessfull, and that divided the country for how long? As usual, you smear everybody we mention, then state no pick of your own. How brave.

      P.S. You might want to look at who Lincoln picked for his cabinet, like several arch political enimies, and how Lincoln brough them all together over time, so, nice try picking a single issue. Bush gets the all around award of all time. I know…..what’s the lastest R line, oh yea, just wait 25 or 30 years from now, then we’ll all see what a great prez Bush was. Which is a good point, I guess. Sure won’t see it while he is in office.

    • Anonymous
      August 27, 2006 at 7:30 pm

      Dear Marc:

      Are you questioning my bravery? I certainly hope not. There isn’t anyone who knows me well who would do that. Oh well. At one time I thought we were friends, what happened?

      As far as President Lincoln being the most divisive president, obviously that is my opinion, but I think a quick perusal of most history books would provide ample evidence that he was incredibly divisive. The Southern Democrats said they would secede from the Union if he was elected. They considered his election as the final insult which could not be endured. The other three faces on Mt. Rushmore also were accused of being very divisive in their time. Perhaps getting your way in politics is the same thing as being divisive. With no serious opposition what is a majority party supposed to do?

      As for not picking a candidate, which in your eyes is a cowardly act, did I mention that Barak Obama and John Edwards would be viable Democratic candidates? Yes, I did. I accept your apology. John McCain would be a good Republican candidate, but he would make a mediocre president. Mitt Romney and George Pataki would be electable but they aren’t liable to get nominated because the Republic base isn’t real happy about conservatism lite. The conservative base wants someone to do something ….anything ……about immigration, run-away government spending, the impending Social Security disaster, or any other problem that everyone else is afraid to address.

      As for George W’s legacy, he has been seriously dissappointing to conservatives. Bill Clinton’s core political values were much more conservative than W’s. Bill Clinton slashed federal welfare funds. W tripled them. Bill Clinton balanced the budget and W blew it all to hell. Bill Clinton slowed the growth of federal employees and W accelerated the numbers of bureaucrats.

      Once more, this is just my opinion.

      Lee

    • Anonymous
      August 27, 2006 at 9:33 pm

      Historical footnote:

      Candidate Lincoln made a speech in New York in February 1860 in which he made a chilling warning to southerners: Do not think for a moment that history will accept your seceding from the Union and then blaming the election of a Republican president for disunion. Lincoln made it clear that Southerners must be held wholly responsible for the potential destruction of the Union, not Northeners who simply advocated the founding fathers’ brand of conservatism to limit the [FONT=”Impact”]spread[/FONT] of slavery.

      Regards,
      Marge

      Italics added by me

    • Anonymous
      August 28, 2006 at 12:02 am

      Dear Marguerite:

      You make a good point. Whether it was Lincoln who was divisive or those who opposed him, it really doesn’t make much of a difference. Lincoln held extreme views on slavery, for that time. He was a firebrand of controversy, much like John Brown was. Quite a few Southerners knew slavery, as an institution, was doomed, they just didn’t want it ended from an outside source. After all, what did the Northerners have in their factories but wage slavery? There are many accounts of Southern slave owners visiting Northern factories and being appalled by the working conditions. Slaves were much too valuable to be treated so poorly. Of course their were always exceptions.

      Since the Union won the Civil War, we accept Lincoln’s explanation of his divisivness. The winners are the ones who write the history.

      Lee

    • Anonymous
      August 28, 2006 at 1:10 am

      The U.S. government’s support of slavery was based on practicality. By 1860, 20 million tons of cotton were produced in the south, with 4 million slaves. Lincoln realized that slavery could end only under conditions controlled by whites or the inevitable slave rebellions (remember Nat Turner?). He did not believe the Constitution permitted the federal government to legally bar slavery in the states where it already existed. However, the Republican Party did not want slavery extended to new territories, probably at the behest of the small farmer, the small businessman.

      Although Lincoln called Harriet Beecher Stowe “the little woman who started the great war,” Lincoln saw his official duty as saving the Union, not to save or destroy slavery. The Emancipation Proclamation was a military move, not a moral one, as it freed slaves in states fighting the Union, not those behind Union lines.

      Was the Civil War faught for financial reasons and not morality? As you said, the winners write history. But, as for Lincoln, I see him as a great man whose goal was this country’s survival.

      Regards,
      Marge

    • Anonymous
      August 28, 2006 at 1:40 am

      [QUOTE=marguerite]The U.S. government’s support of slavery was based on practicality. By 1860, a million tons of cotton were produced in the south, with 4 million slaves. Lincoln realized that slavery could end only under conditions controlled by whites or the inevitable slave rebellions (remember Nat Turner?). He did not believe the Constitution permitted the federal government to legally bar slavery in the states where it already existed. However, the Republican Party did not want slavery extended to new territories, probably at the behest of the small farmer, the small businessman.

      Although Lincoln called Harriet Beecher Stowe “the little woman who started the great war,” Lincoln saw his official duty as saving the Union, not to save or destroy slavery. The Emancipation Proclamation was a military move, not a moral one, as it freed slaves in states fighting the Union, not those behind Union lines.

      Was the Civil War faught for financial reasons and not morality? As you said, the winners write history. But, as for Lincoln, I see him as a great man whose goal was this country’s survival.

      Regards,
      Marge[/QUOTE]

      Anyone but Bush………..no, any one but Bush or Clinton.

      Please lord, one idiot in that office every 100 years is enough.

    • Anonymous
      August 28, 2006 at 5:37 am

      I don’t get it. Why do so many people dislike (hate?) Senator Clinton? Perhaps, as a New York feminist, I’ll never understand but I’d really like to read a cogent explanation.

      Many thanks,
      Marge

    • Anonymous
      August 28, 2006 at 9:22 am

      Hi,

      I guess it would be easier for some to just say “See Fox News, or turn on Rush, for what I think and should say”. A lot less writing at least. Bravery comes in many forms. Like being true to original thought, an expressing it, when it’s not ‘socially popular’, as opposed to being coy and trying to make friends and use smear words. Just getting old and too predictable for me. Like words ‘remotly capeable of winning an election” to describe those two D’s, then saying, or changing it to, ‘viable D canidates’. So, no you didn’t. Which one did you accept my apology on? The Hillary remark “I hope the D’s nominate her”. Agin, since the last prez election, Fox News only, has been promoting that line, and her, for obvious reasons. She ain’t electable. I have to agree, or more to the point, she shouldn’t be electable, because she will divide even more, this country. Since Dick Morris got fired as a political advisor by Clinton in ’98, nobody will hire that guy. He’s smart, and has carved out a living bashing Hillary thanks to Fox News only. Never see him on another network or cable news show. He’s been on a 5 year job interview trying to get the R’s to hire him, but they won’t touch him either. The obvious ploy is, let’s promote Hillary, so our side has a chance to continue the smear, instead of issues, then we can easily win, and continue our special intrest greed and gloutany. To hell with trying to bring this country back together. His book on Condi, is just another job interview too. I would just like to see independent thinking, instead of repeting lines drilled over and over into people’s heads. The R’s have taken the adage “Say it often enough, and it will become truth” to new hieghts and an art form. To me, that’s not good no matter where on the fence a person sits. I will apologize though Lee, for being short and not using a popular form of deplomacy in my tone. I want to turn a person on, to know what they think, not a TV. Get the discussion above grade school level, and off sound bites. I’m just frustrated that nobody can get beyound that.
      As far as Lincoln, he wasn’t a one issue president. Instead of reading outdated history books, read the book “Team of Rivals”. The politacal genius of Abe Lincoln. Yes, he divided the country, but at the same time, he poured the foundation to bring it right back together from the inside out. Our current prez, keeps pounding the wedge deeper and deeper into the heart of this country, cementing the foundation for even more devisivness, and who know’s, even to the point of a cival uprising in this country down stream. Huge difference to me. One or two more terms in the Whitehouse continuing that coarse, will put this country at the point of no return, in my opinion, and why Hillary shouldn’t be considered. I’m a McCain guy too, but lately, he’s flip-flopping all over the place. Even though I never voted for Bill, I’ve said here years ago, he’s the best R president we ever had since Lincoln. He got threw more R issues Reagon and Bush 1 tried for 12 years to get done and couldn’t. Plus balance the budget.
      Doesn’t matter who someone indorses, it’s that everyone now wants there intrests served, and forget the country as a whole. We need to get back to the middle, listen to all sides, then do the right thing.

    • Anonymous
      August 28, 2006 at 9:33 am

      Dear Marguerite:

      Lincoln didn’t say he wanted to end slavery, he said he wanted to end the spread of slavery. This was a subtle distinction which was lost on slave-holding states. There was no middle ground on slavery. You were either for it for economical reasons, or against it for moral reasons. The Southerners realized that slavery would end if it didn’t spread into the new states coming into the Union. It was a matter of constitutional math. If there wasn’t at least one-third of all states which were pro-slavery, then a Constitutional Amendment would surely pass prohibiting slavery. Lincoln said he wouldn’t allow Kansas statehood as a pro-slavery state, which was, in the mind of the pro-slavery factions, the same thing as banning slavery. It wasn’t so much what Lincoln actually said, but more of what the Pro-slavery people actually heard. When Lincoln was elected, the line was drawn in the sand.

      Lee

    • Anonymous
      August 28, 2006 at 10:44 am

      I hope to God the Dems nominate Hillary, because she doesn’t stand a snowball’s chance of winning any red state. As a social conservative, I would not be too excited about Guliani, and as an economic libertarian, I would have to hold my nose to vote for Mcain. I think one of the Republican governors would have the best shot at winning. As for the Democrats, they will probably nominate a northern senator, and like Lee pointed out, senators have a VERY hard time winning the presidency. The last one to do it was in 1960.

      The real problem with Bush is that he has let social spending balloon, hardly a “small government conservative.” But remember, the Federal deficit is a function of the state of the economy. When the economy is booming, the deficit shrinks or disappears, like the mid-late 90’s. When the economy slows, the deficit increases, because growth of tax revenue slows. Clinton had about as much to do with the surpluses of the late 90’s as he did the fall of Rome, and the current deficit from the 2000-2001 recession (who was in office then?) is shrinking due to Bush’s tax cuts of 2003. [B]Our GDP has grown 20%[/B] since then, and [B]revenues INCREASED 13% since those tax cuts[/B]. But all that is still no excuse for spending like a drunken sailor. Somebody needs to put Congress on a very short leash, and quickly.

      The problem the Dems have is with the radical anti-war left controlling the power, and the more moderate average Joe Democrat base not feeling the same way. Unless they get it together (they probably won’t), it will be 1968 all over again. And in case you haven’t noticed, Hillary is all about [I]Hillary[/I], and everyone else can jump in a lake. She will do or say whatever it takes to gain power, principles be damned. Joe Lieberman, on the other hand, is a man who sticks to his priciples even when it hurts him politically. Even with his liberal, social outlook, I greatly respect him for that. Too bad his own “inclusive and diverse” party doesn’t.

      The Republicans need to present someone who will do the right thing about illegal aliens (eliminate benefits, PUNISH employers who hire them) and cut this runaway spending. The war on terrorism has been 100% effective in preventing another attack on our soil, so that’s a plus. But no single solid presidential candidate comes to mind for the Republicans, either. Whatever you think about it, remember it’s a LONG time until Nov/08. ANYTHING can happen, and it probably will.

    • Anonymous
      August 28, 2006 at 10:53 am

      I remember a movie a long time ago about voting for none of the above, that’s about how I feel so far with the announced candidates. I have voted Dem, Rep and Independent so I am waiting for the candidate to emerge that I actually would support.

    • Anonymous
      August 28, 2006 at 12:14 pm

      My paternal grandfather was a justice of the peace and minor office holder in Sullivan County, New York during the 30’s and 40’s. Sullivan County consisted of small farmers and businessmen and Borscht Belt hotels.. Depending on his audience, he was either a Protestant or Jewish; a Democrat or Republican. He lived on the graft for at least 10 years after he left office. Do I trust or believe politicians — of course not.

      I really like Senator Clinton but she is not electable, so I’ll wait, read and watch.

      Regards,
      Marge

    • Anonymous
      August 28, 2006 at 12:41 pm

      Hi,

      A bit more on Lincoln, and weather he was aginst slavery, or just didn’t want to see it spread. In the early 1830’s, a young state legislator made his first public statement on slavery. The rise of abolitionism in the North and the actions of governors, such as Seward, (who became one of Lincoln’s cabinet members) who refused to fully respect fugitive slave provisions in the Constitution, led legeslators in both South and North to pass resolutions that censored abolitionism and confirmed the constitutional right to slavery. In conservitive Illinois, populated by many citizens of Southern birth, the general assembly fell into line. By a lopsided vote of 77-6, the assembly resolved that “we highly disapprove of the formation of abolitionist societies,” hold “sacred” the “right of property in slaves,” and believe that “the General Government cannot abolish slavery in the District of Columbia, aginst the consent of the citizens.”
      Lincoln was among the six dissenting voices. With one other colleague who also voted aginst the resolution, he issued a formal protest. This protest did not endorse abolitionism, for Lincoln believed then, as later, that the Constitution did not give congress the power to interfere with slavery in states where it was already established. Instead, resisting the tide of public opinion in Illinois, Lincoln proclaimed that “the institution of slavery is founded on both injustice and bad policy,” and affirmed the constitutional power of Congress to abolish slavery in areas under federal control, such as the District of Columbia, though he recommended “that the power ought not to be excersised unless at the request of the people of said District.”
      Lincoln always believed, he later said, that “if slavery is not wrong, nothing is wrong,” and he could not remember when he did not “so think, and feel.” Decades later, in his short autobiography written for the 1860 presidential campaign, Lincoln would describe his protest in the Illinois legeslature as one that ” briefly defined his position on the slavery question; and so far as it goes, it was then the same as it is now.”
      The ‘he wanted to stop the spread of slavery’ line Lee used, and the context he put it in, as you can see, isn’t quite accurate. It was a political way of stopping the bleeding right where it exists first, still keep states rights without involving the constitution, an adding more federal power over states, then, if all efforts failed from that point on to abolish slavery, that it would gradually become extinct due to that containment. Just another example of his political prowess, and his ability to make everybody a little happy, intead of one special intrest real happy and nobody else, just to get votes. That’s called governing and how uniting all factions, were started by him. Why he brought in several cabinet members who were, without a doubt, tottally aginst his policies and views. Before he was killed, he won them all over, maybe not tottally, and the healing process began, bringing our country back together. From the inside out, where it has to start.

    • Anonymous
      August 28, 2006 at 5:29 pm

      Oh crap, just vote for me.

    • Anonymous
      August 28, 2006 at 5:53 pm

      [QUOTE=Brandy]Oh crap, just vote for me.[/QUOTE]
      If you’ll make a capital offense to drive slower than the speed limit in the left lane, I’ll quit my job and campaign for you.

    • Anonymous
      August 28, 2006 at 6:16 pm

      [QUOTE=rchudgins]If you’ll make a capital offense to drive slower than the speed limit in the left lane, I’ll quit my job and campaign for you.[/QUOTE]

      [B]You Got It.[/B]

    • Anonymous
      August 28, 2006 at 6:26 pm

      I know the perfect candidate.

      He’s smart, honest, has never committed a crime or told a lie, he has no party affiliation, makes no political promises, he’s very handsome and photogenic, won’t require a salary, and is an expert in getting things done his way. I hereby nominate my cat Pepper.

    • Anonymous
      August 28, 2006 at 9:07 pm

      Your cat Pepper could probably do a better job then the administration in the
      White House right now.

    • Anonymous
      August 29, 2006 at 8:04 am

      I have yet to see a canidate with better qualification than Pepper. My vote is for Pepper…

    • Anonymous
      August 29, 2006 at 9:19 am

      Hi,

      I agree, a purrrrrrrrfect canadate.

    • Anonymous
      August 29, 2006 at 11:36 am

      [COLOR=”Purple”]Pepper’s got my vote![/COLOR]

    • Anonymous
      August 29, 2006 at 11:36 am

      We could have my Rottweiler as the Vice Prez. He’s a gentle soul, but if I tell him to attack anyone that disagrees with Pepper’s administration, he will.

    • Anonymous
      August 29, 2006 at 3:23 pm

      Hey Donna,

      Don’t we have one of those as VP already??

    • Anonymous
      August 29, 2006 at 5:29 pm

      Hey Marc,

      Yes we do, but he is of a very poor inbreed. My Rottie is of champion bloodlines from Geramny and is much more well behaved then “Ooops I shot my friend Cheney.” My Rottie will behave as well as I command him to.
      Cheney doesn’t know how to behave, which is quite obvious when he starts he tirades of cursing out people. Oh that’s right, it’s the inbreeding that makes the VP like that. What can you expect from a total idiot.:eek:

    • Anonymous
      August 29, 2006 at 5:38 pm

      Donna,

      I talked to Pepper and he says he’d love to have your Rottie as his running mate. He can use an “enforcer” on his team!

      Suzanne

    • Anonymous
      August 29, 2006 at 5:52 pm

      Hey, I think it’s refreshing to have a VP with some color. Remember Algore? You know, the guy who invented the Internet. In 1968. What planet is he from, anyway? Like him or not, at least Cheney tends to be much more down to earth and sincere when he talks. I mean, what White House speechwriter would tell a VP, “You need to use the the F bomb a little more often. And try calling the senator an SOB. Our focus groups say that resonates.” Funny how when a Democrat talks that way the media says he’s “…being real and honest. A straight talker.” A Republican does it and he’s crucified. Might be because the vast majority of the media elite vote Democrat.

      But like they say, I’d rather go hunting with Dick Cheney than ride in Ted Kennedy’s car.

    • Anonymous
      August 29, 2006 at 5:54 pm

      [QUOTE=Suzanne]Donna,

      I talked to Pepper and he says he’d love to have your Rottie as his running mate. He can use an “enforcer” on his team!

      Suzanne[/QUOTE]

      I think they shall make a great Prez and VP

    • Anonymous
      August 29, 2006 at 6:02 pm

      [QUOTE=rchudgins]Hey, I think it’s refreshing to have a VP with some color. Remember Algore? You know, the guy who invented the Internet. In 1968. What planet is he from, anyway? Like him or not, at least Cheney tends to be much more down to earth and sincere when he talks. I mean, what White House speechwriter would tell a VP, “You need to use the the F bomb a little more often. And try calling the senator an SOB. Our focus groups say that resonates.” Funny how when a Democrat talks that way the media says he’s “…being real and honest. A straight talker.” A Republican does it and he’s crucified. Might be because the vast majority of the media elite vote Democrat.

      But like they say, I’d rather go hunting with Dick Cheney than ride in Ted Kennedy’s car.[/QUOTE]

      How can you not like Al Gore after he did the dance the Macarena on national TV? 😀 No one said Gore was intelligent. Maybe he’s from Pluto and that’s why they are trying to take away Pluto’s status as a planet.

      Politicians need to curb their language (both parties) Cheney sincere?:eek:

      I’d rather take a ride from Teddy then get shot, at least I have a chance to swim to the top.

      By the way, I’m not a Democrat or a Republican, just a little ole Independent Voter who thinks there aren’t many good people out there who would make a good prez.

    • Anonymous
      August 29, 2006 at 6:22 pm

      [QUOTE=Brandy]Politicians need to curb their language (both parties) Cheney sincere?:eek:

      I’d rather take a ride from Teddy then get shot, at least I have a chance to swim to the top.[/QUOTE]

      I agree politicians definitely need to watch the potty mouth. But I remember the 2000 campaign, when Bush and Cheney called Adam Klymer (the flaming left-wing reporter assigned to follow them), “A major-league a**hole.” over an open mike. Mr. Klymer demanded an apology, but Cheney said “Why would I apologize? I meant what I said.” No apology from either of them. He meant what he said. Imagine that.

      After 8 years of the carefully orchestrated Clinton circus, I found that kind of honesty refreshing, even if it was crude. Bill Clinton would have been on TV apologizing to major league a**holes all over America, and speaking tearfully at the National Major League A**hole convention about how major league a**holes had rights, too. But not Cheney, because he meant what he said. Maybe I like him because he’s kinda like me, I don’t know.

      And as for partying with the Kennedy clan, I’m pretty sure you’re not that type of girl. By that type, I mean a REALLY good olympic-class swimmer.

    • Anonymous
      August 29, 2006 at 6:55 pm

      Wish I were a girl, though I do like to party hardy big time. I’d party with the kennedy’s anytime. I can handle their kind, after all I am a true Sicilain and carry a knife with me at all times.;)

      Come to think of it I hate all politicians, they move their lips and you know they’re all lying.

    • Anonymous
      August 29, 2006 at 6:58 pm

      As we said in the ’60’s, “make love not war.”

      Regards,
      Marge

    • Anonymous
      August 29, 2006 at 9:00 pm

      Presidents,
      I don’t know if he would be much of a president, and I don’t think he has much of a chance, but Gov. Richardson has been and still is the best Governor we have ever had in New Mexico. He has cut taxes, improved the school system, and brought in a lot of industry. And has taught the Legislature to live within their means. He seems to have true feelings for the poor snook who is just trying to make a living.
      Although I am not of his party I would vote for him.
      Lea

    • Anonymous
      August 30, 2006 at 8:48 am

      Hi,

      What planet is Gore from? I thought everybody new. The planet “Lock Box”.
      Hey R, you like Cheney because he’s a lot like you, huh? A person who respects knowone or institution then. It wasn’t what he said to a senator so much, it was about telling a senator to F-off on the senate floor that disrepected the institution. After all, he is the president of the senate. Who respects rules,laws, and protocall anyway in this administration? Hunting with Cheney? It takes a real man and hunter to go out into a seeded field where birds are placed and trapped in scrub brush by illegal aliens, then the dog walks 30 feet and rousts the bird out, and if that doesn’t work, another illegal will go kick it himself out of the brush, then stand back and watch those great white hunters shoot it out of the sky. At least they should be wild birds, instead of hand raised domestically by humans over several generations. You know, the kind you like. Birds that have no skills to defend themselves. Last November, I watched an interview with Cheney for an hour. When asked about that day 9/11, and what he did to protect himself, he said “when that plane was headed for the White House, we were being led into a bunker, and for some reason, the plane got DIVERTED to the Pentagon.” Really now? I didn’t know the terrorists had a air traffic controller directing traffic. Nobody has ever mentioned that. According to all the ferinsics, and all the investagations done by this administration, each jet had a pre-planned destination or target long before takeoff. All used land marks to reach them. Still playing the ‘fear’ card as usual. Nice try Dick.

      The, Home Alone, washed up kid actor, ran into a poll a few weeks back. When the police officer asked how it happened, he replied “I’m just doing an audition for the Patrick Kennedy story.”
      Lea, I agree 100%. Gov. Richardson is a smart guy, level thinking, and a true centerist. I would vote for him too if he runs. When the Bush administration bungled up North Korea in the beginning, and they lost control of that situation over there, who did Bush run to, to smooth things out and get back under some kind of control? Your governor. A rare breed who just does what’s right, and includes all, in being right.

    • Anonymous
      August 30, 2006 at 10:06 am

      [COLOR=”Purple”]Diapers and politicians need to be changed often………………..and for the same reason![/COLOR]

    • Anonymous
      August 30, 2006 at 10:32 am

      Hi,

      Amen to that.

    • Anonymous
      August 30, 2006 at 10:42 am

      [QUOTE=racer13] When the Bush administration bungled up North Korea in the beginning, and they lost control of that situation over there, who did Bush run to, to smooth things out and get back under some kind of control? [/QUOTE]

      The [I]Bush Administration [/I]bungled up the North Korean issue? What rock have you been living under? The record says it was [B]Clinton[/B] that and his coddling of the North Koreans that emboldened them and started this mess. Sending Jimmy “I never met a dictator I didn’t like” Carter to negotiate with Communist thugs was like sending a Girl Scout to deal with Hitler. We gave them incentives to stop their program, they cheerfully accepted them, and lied in our face while they never slowed down nuclear weapons efforts. That one is Clinton’s baby.

      And as for the war on terrorism, the Clinton approach was working great, if you don’t count the first bombing of the World Trade Center, the bombing of our Air Force housing complex in Saudi Arabia, the bombing of our embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, and the bombing of the USS Cole. Clinton did nothing to respond to these declarations of war (other than bombing an African aspirin factory the day he was impeached), and as a direct result Al Quaeda only became bolder. Then came September 11th. Thanks a lot, Bill.

      From what little I know about him, Bill Richardson has a lot good qualities, and any governor who cuts taxes and reduces government gets my attention. I just wonder where he’d line up on national defense. He seems like a pretty sensible guy, too bad Hillary is the 800 lb gorilla of the Democratic party.

      I would also support Bob Riley, our governor here in Alabama for President, if it meant he would leave our state and [B]never[/B] come back. What a spineless weasel RINO (Republican in name only) fraud he is. Back door tax increases, selling out to the teacher’s union boss, you name it. The guy’s a bald-faced liar.

    • Anonymous
      August 30, 2006 at 11:08 am

      Here’s a photo of our new Presidential candidate. I guarantee he doesn’t have a potty mouth and, as Marge says, he’s in favor of love. Plus, he is 16 lbs. and capable of taking out any Kennedy who gets in his way (with the help of Donna’s Rottie his VP).

    • Anonymous
      August 30, 2006 at 11:15 am

      Hi,

      To use the R excuse of a lifetime, things were different then. You know, like after 9/11 and your bottom line. So, before 9/11, nothing should count, right? To quote another great R matra, We haven’t been attacked on our soil since 9/11, so see how well we are doing. The last attack on our soil was the WTC in 1993 before this last one, and all directly responsable were caught. Remember the blind shiek that’s in our prison right now who ordered that attack? So, if you can say Bush has kept us safe, then you have to say Clinton kept us safe from another attack for 7 years after too. Which is 2 more years then Bush has so far. Instead of ‘cutting and running’ from the facts, do a bit more homework, and look at the clause Clinton put in that N.K. agreement, and you may find out why N.K. right out of the gate with this administration, was screaming for a non-agression pact first, before continued negotiations. That’s what Bill Richards had to straighten out for this administration and was bungleing the mess even more. Not how the mess got there. Ronald Reagon never did a thing either when 239 Marines died in Beirut either in their barreks. Cut and ran right out of there. Stay the coarse, keep blaming Clinton after all these years, take no responsability for anything, and most of all, never judge a book by it’s content. Just keep smearing the cover.

    • Anonymous
      August 31, 2006 at 7:21 pm

      [COLOR=red]She has my vote![/COLOR]
      [IMG]http://www.delcollo.us/Random/Thumbnails/oyl01.jpg[/IMG]

      [COLOR=red][I][Olive Oyl][/I][/COLOR][I]
      [COLOR=red]If I were president, if I were president,
      There’d be at least ten months of June,
      For folks to spend their honeymoon,
      And night winds would all have the sweetest scent.
      If I were president. [/COLOR]
      [COLOR=red][I]If I were president, if I were president,
      Silk worms in every house would grow
      And they would all be on the go
      (In case there were a stocking accident).
      If I were president. [/I][/COLOR]
      [COLOR=red][I]There’d be lampposts like you’ve never seen.
      And streets would all be spotless clean! [/I][/COLOR]
      [COLOR=red][I]If I were president, if I were president,
      I’d have a cure that would work right,
      For those who couldn’t sleep at night.
      The time they spent awake would be well-spent.
      If I were president. If I were president. [/I][/COLOR]
      [COLOR=red][I]If I were president, if I were president,
      The dogs whose habits all were strange
      Would undergo a brand new change.
      An all-day cone would cost a cent.
      If I were president. [/I][/COLOR]
      [COLOR=red][I]If I were president, if I were president,
      Each bus would have a smoother run,
      With lots of seats for everyone.
      Apartments once again would be for rent.
      If I were president. [/I][/COLOR]
      [COLOR=red][I]There would be no wrangling anymore,
      For drumsticks that fell short before. [/I][/COLOR][COLOR=red][I]If I were president, if I were president,
      I’d pick up feminine morale,
      And get a man for every gal.
      More holidays would get my strong consent.
      If I were president.[/I][/COLOR]
      [/I]

    • Anonymous
      September 1, 2006 at 10:57 am

      PRESS RELEASE
      September 1, 2006
      Photos

      Presidential candidate Pepper relaxes after a hard day at the office, and again with his Secret Service escort (body double) on the campaign trail.

      From his Press Secretary
      Suzanne

    • Anonymous
      September 1, 2006 at 11:47 am

      [COLOR=”Purple”]Suzanne, Pepper looks like our 18 year old Bandit we had to put to sleep last December. It would be an honor if I could be on the campaign committee. I’m a hard worker. I know we could get pepper elected!…….Vicki[/COLOR]

    • Anonymous
      September 1, 2006 at 2:17 pm

      I say let’s vote for “The Other Mike” for Prez.

    • Anonymous
      September 1, 2006 at 3:37 pm

      Vicki,

      Pepper is happy to welcome you to his campaign committee! You can be his top adviser.

      His 2 buddies Dandelion and Chloe have volunteered to lick envelopes.

    • Anonymous
      September 1, 2006 at 3:44 pm

      [COLOR=”Purple”]Thanks, Suzanne and Pepper. I’ve already contacted an advertising agency run by my furry little friends at the C.A.T. association here. They’re real excited about it too! PEPPER FOR PRESIDENT- SOUNDS GOOD![/COLOR]

    • Anonymous
      September 1, 2006 at 7:25 pm

      [SIZE=4][COLOR=red][U]Votes for President[/U][/COLOR][/SIZE]
      [COLOR=red]Pepper = 1[/COLOR]
      [COLOR=#ff0000]Olive Oyl = 1[/COLOR]
      [COLOR=#ff0000]The Other Mike = 1[/COLOR]
      [COLOR=#ff0000][/COLOR]

    • Anonymous
      October 29, 2006 at 7:38 am

      What chances does Barack Obama have?

    • Anonymous
      October 29, 2006 at 10:08 am

      I don’t think Obama has a chance at the presidency because it’s always the
      “good ole boys” who have been around forever who tend to put up a person they think will do their bidding.

    • Anonymous
      October 29, 2006 at 6:39 pm

      I think Senator Okama needs more experience in the Congress and knowledge before he even thinks of making a move. He was in the Illinois State Senate before being elected to the Congress…not enough.

      Regards,
      Marge