Sclerology – the whites of the eyes
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June 7, 2011 at 6:17 pm
I recently attended a Spiritual/Health Expo and had the whites of my eyes read by a sclerologist. At one point he said, “Well, this doesn’t make sense…you don’t have a problem with your motor skills, do you?”
Hah! Who doesn’t have at least some problem with motor skills after experiencing GBS twice? You wouldn’t know it – but I see some. It is kind of like driving a Porsche fast around a curve. I used to be a Porsche – now I have to be more careful of what I am doing.
I also had an adjustment with a chiropractor. It made sense that what our bodies go through with GBS – we would need to readjust things. It would help to let the energy flow through. With GBS our “electricity” was short circuited. It turns out that the chiropractorhas worked on Sting and Ringo and some other famous people. However, you have to be sure to get a good chiropractor – a bad one can either be ineffective or do damage…rare but it happens.
I learned that if your body leans to the right, you have a potassium imbalance…to the left, you have a sodium imbalance. If your pupils dilate more than normal, it could be a lack of potassium. Our bodies are telling us what they need, but no one has taught us how to interpret what they are saying. I considered getting certified as a Naturopath, but the courses would be redundant…so why pay the money and the hours for what I already know and use. -
June 9, 2011 at 1:46 am
[QUOTE=Carolyn]
I learned that if your body leans to the right, you have a potassium imbalance…to the left, you have a sodium imbalance. If your pupils dilate more than normal, it could be a lack of potassium. Our bodies are telling us what they need, but no one has taught us how to interpret what they are saying. I considered getting certified as a Naturopath, but the courses would be redundant…so why pay the money and the hours for what I already know and use.[/QUOTE]As a biochemist, I can confirm that the above is utter rubbish…sodium and potassium levels have nothing to do with the symmetry of balance and dilated pupils can be caused by thousands of different effects, the most usual causes being low light and drugs! I suggest you get a chiropractor who doesn’t use the latter 🙂
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June 9, 2011 at 12:43 pm
Carolyn – don’t give up on the learning! Remember, the eyes are the window to the soul. You can know a lot about a person thru them. My cousin’s cardiologist took one look at my eyes and said ” you, also, have high cholestrol; I suspect a family trend, so start right now doing what you can to change your life style “! And he was absolutly right according to the lab results!! I was stunned but not surprised. I only wish that we were more attunded to our own bodies –. I always have wondered why we listen more to someone in an office setting who sees us maybe every 6-8 weeks than our own selves?? We live in our body 24hrs/day and would know “symptoms” of whatever process better than a book learner (altho book learning is an important adjunct. I just wish that the medical community would recognize our abilities). That’s how you know when you’ve found a great doctor – he/she is a listener/observer 😀 It is so patronizing to be told “but page 172, paragraph 3 says this is how you really are” 😮
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June 9, 2011 at 11:28 pm
Don’t get me wrong Carolyn, I am not against people being in ‘connection’ with their bodies, reading around the subject and finding out more for themselves. There are many fine examples of the medical community, but on the other hand there are also the unscrupulous people who will try and amaze you with duff information and ‘cures’ you have never heard before, usually because they are just too good to be true.
High cholesterol may be indicated by an arcus around the cornea or coloured component of the eye and cardiologists should all be switched on enough to look for this.
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June 10, 2011 at 6:11 pm
Yikes, Adrian. Did I perceive some anger there? I have had dilated pupils all of my life – so low light and medicine (don’t take any) is out of the question. I am not naive enough to believe everything I hear or read, but I am open to considering it. I saw 3 different health people that day…only paid for one of them. All three came up with the same recommendations. When my body exhibits a weakness of the same body part in several diffent ways, it gets my attention.
Adrian, I have had GBS 2 times – 20 years apart. I have not needed any pain medication either time. So, my knowledge of and taking the correct supplements must have worked. I have voraciously studied wholistic health for 40 years and put it to work. I see that you are on high doses of gabapentin. Did you know that it was originally a drug for epilepsy that did not work well. So they unscientifically told doctors to prescribe Way over the dosage okayed by the FDA and found it worked for pain. It was not originally made for pain…being a biochemist..you might want to look into what makes it work. I am now eating more foods with potassium in them. I do not think that qualifies for a “snake oil” cure.
Judi, thanks for the positive comments. I do hope you are NOT on a statin drug…stay away from them. Have not met one person yet who did well on them. Most people get pain in their body and one close friend’s head started bobbing and handwriting was barely readable. Let me know if you need a healthy way to lower your cholesterol. The longer I study this stuff, the more respect I have for our bodies. When the irises, the whites of the eyes, the hands and feet (reflexology), and your stature all point to the same thing, you know it’s right. Dr. Oz is starting to acquaint people with this way of taking care of our bodies. He is also against taking a drug if you can do it naturally. So finally people are learning to take charge and not go to a doctor for a Magic Pill. I was just 40 years ahead of this paradigm. -
June 10, 2011 at 8:55 pm
Carolyn — Please be careful about dishing out your expert advice to others . While natural things may work for some it does not for others . It is a serious thing for you to suggest that someone not take a medication that is prescribed by a physician and not someone who is educated in the medical field .
While I am sure you mean well you could cost someone their life . Just for the record ….alk630 has a very valid point !! -
June 11, 2011 at 9:35 am
The medical profession is starting to come over to the side of complimentary medicine. The change has begun – finally. I respect the right of everyone to make their own choices. And I do not claim to be an expert. I have just seen too many people who have gotten severe side effects from pharmaceuticals. I had a friend whose femur crumbled due to taking Fosamax. She was a nurse and totally bought into the view that doctors know best. She brushed off my suggestion that she research the side effects of that drug. Now there are major lawsuits against it. I just want people to be aware of the the dangers of some of the drugs. If I have acquired this knowledge and don’t share it, that is cruel.
I would like to know how you can say that while natural things may work for some, it does not work for others. How do you know this? Dr. Oz is a leading NY cardiologist whose tv show has many doctors that are coming over to the wholistic side. Lots of people are finding out that they do work. There is a body-mind connection – even quantum physics/mechanics is showing this. I would be remiss if I did not share what works. If you feel good with your choice to stick with the advice of the medical profession, that is fine. I just think the results speak for themselves. I survived GBS twice and not on any pain medications. Can either of you say this? I did have a medical doctor for the first bout. He has written 2 books, was interviewed by Suzanne Somers for a chapter in her book, and was wholistic. This website allows us to share what has worked for us. -
June 12, 2011 at 1:37 am
Carolyn, the only anger I have is for the unscrupulous people who benefit at the expense of naive patients in alternative medicine, of which there are many.
Have you ever considered that just because your pupils ‘have always been dilated’ that this may not perhaps be the case. In fact, your pupils may not be dilated at all, just ‘normal’ for your body, but considered dilated when measuring against the general population? In much the same light, have you ever considered that you have suffered GBS 20 years apart by complete co-incidence and it is, in fact, not linked to dietary supplements? In fact, other people may deduce that you may have suffered it a second-time due to taking the wrong supplements! (not my point of view).
The pain experienced by some GBS sufferers is due to sensory nerve damage. Sufferers of nerve damage affecting only the motor nerves, will experience weakness or loss of motor function, not pain. I had a sensory and motor neuropathy (AMSAN) and have suffered severe pain since, but in no way is it to do with lack of dietary supplements. Most adults eating a balanced diet should never need to take extra supplements and the jury is still out on most, as to whether they are effective or not. Just because you eat potassium-containing foods does NOT mean that potassium levels within your body will necessarily change and, I’m afraid, anyone who tries to tell you otherwise does not know what they are talking about.
I know a great deal about Gabapentin, and it’s origin as an anti-convulsant. I also know that without it, FDA approved or not, I would have suffered far more than I have. I think if you re-read about Gabapentin, you will find a wealth of extremely scientific information about trials with high-doses…just because you may not have found this information, or it is not FDA approved, does not mean it is either dangerous or does not work! In addition, many drugs have been developed for one use, but later been discovered to be useful in other areas – probably the most infamous being Pfizer’s Viagra, which was originally developed for pulmonary hypertension, but subsequently found effective for erectile dysfunction, which afflicts millions of men. In addition, while statins may cause problems for some people, they have saved countless lives since their introduction and should always be taken if prescribed by someone appropriately qualified in conventional medicine.
The medical profession here in the UK is definitely NOT switching to complimentary medicine and has had funding in this area almost completely cut. I cannot comment on the situation in other countries. Just because people suffer side-effects from pharmaceuticals does not mean they should not be used at all. Everything in life, including water, can be dangerous if taken incorrectly and for many people the benefits of pharmaceuticals far outweigh their side-effects. While medical practice must remain open to new discoveries, it would be highly irresponsible to embrace any medicine as though it were a matter of principle.
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June 12, 2011 at 10:13 am
Adrian,
Both of my bouts with GBS were brought on by major stress – first was a bad marriage and the second was taking care of my mother and then her death. What I was saying is that the supplements kept the inflammation down so there was less nerve damage.
Many people do not think that supplements will work, because it would be too simple. They reason that if it were that simple, the doctors would be prescribing them instead of drugs. In med school doctors are taught the correct drug to use – by the pharmaceutical companies. The goal of drug companies is to sell drugs. This was out of the mouth of medical doctors that are brave enough to get the truth out there.
There is a new paradigm emerging It takes a long time for people to change their way of thinking. I chose not to wait. I can tell you tons of cases where supplements and correct eating have helped many people that I know. Why take drugs with side effects for Gout when you can eat cherries? Eating cherries does not have the side effects of drugs. It works. Those with herpes simply need to take Lysine when they overeat foods with arginine. Linus Pauling was the only person to win 2 Nobel Prizes; he wrote Vitamin C and the Common Cold. When I started taking it, people said I would have expensive urine. Now it is accepted for colds/infections.
I am not trying to convince you – but unless you have tried it, please don’t put it down. You are taking away a possibility of health for others. Let’s just agree that we have taken different paths. If your path is working for you, fine.
But most of the studies are done by the pharmaceutical companies,many are now done overseas, many results are ghost-written and a doctor signs his name to it. I used to believe in them like you do. Sadly …no longer. -
June 12, 2011 at 1:47 pm
After talking to one of the UK’s highest authorities on GBS, he assured me that it is almost universally accepted in the medical world that every case of GBS is the result of infection rather than stress.
The validity of claims the efficacy of vitamin C in treating the common cold is criticised by mainstream medical researchers. The most-cited reviews of the subject have concluded that there are no beneficial effects C beyond a placebo. Aside from research showing vitamin C to be ineffectual and unsuccessful against a cold, concerns have also been raised about the dangerous effects vitamin C can have when taken inappropriately.
The view you take of alternative medicine is a very simplistic one that simply is not true and there are thousands of unbiased studies to show that. I think Richard Dawkins was correct when he said “there is no alternative medicine. There is only medicine that works and medicine that doesn’t work”.
That said, if you feel these alternative medicines are working for you, then feel free to continue paying for them if they make you feel better.
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June 12, 2011 at 2:14 pm
I have posted these links before. They may look familiar to some of you.
The first, from Mayo Clinic,
[url]http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/alternative-medicine/PN00001[/url]
says this about the second:
“[I]…To make sense of the many therapies available, it helps to look at how they are classified by the National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine (NCCAM), [COLOR=”Red”]the lead agency that funds for scientific research on CAM in the United States[/COLOR][/I]….”
Therefore, the answer to one comment is emphatically, YES, the US Government, in the form of the National Institutes of Health (NIH), does still actively fund research on CAM.
And, let’s don’t talk about the FDA approved cigarettes for years, with no label warning required, ditto for alcohol and the FDA still approves artificial food coloring and allows rat poison (flouride) in toothpaste and drinking water.
Oh, yes, and where did aspirin come from- what’s that you say? A company named Bayer invented it. Maybe so. On the other hand, aspirin, or aspirin like substances were ‘invented’ following studies on the ‘medicinal’ usefulness of willow and other salicylate-rich plants dating, historically, to the days before western medicine. In fact, likely before the Romans conquered what later became England.
Recently the news media made a big deal out of the FDA requiring that the dosage level of a certain statin drug be reduced due to muscle damage.
What the FDA said about that particular statin-, “…Safety Announcement
[06-08-2011] The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is recommending limiting the use of the highest approved dose of the cholesterol-lowering medication, simvastatin (80 mg) because of increased risk of muscle damage….”
Where the FDA said it:
[url]http://www.fda.gov/Drugs/DrugSafety/ucm256581.htm[/url]
Gee whiz, if that much of one kind of statin is proven bad for you, do want to believe that a little bit is still good for you? Yeah, let’s use the water analogy, ‘I have to drink water. Yet, give me too much water and I’ll drown.’
And the Government CAM web site is here-
[url]http://nccam.nih.gov/[/url]
Others on this site have reported using alternative ‘stuff’. Others on this site have said something to the effect of ‘why don’t you try this, I did.’
Why such a big stink now? Nevermind, don’t answer that question. It is Rhetorical.
I’ll believe what I want. I’ll share what I believe, sometimes. If you like it, fine. If you don’t, welcome to choose that belief which floats your cork, without trying to convince me otherwise.
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June 12, 2011 at 5:37 pm
Carolyn — While I do believe that you should be in tune with your body and I do believe you have to be your own advocate …. some conditions just do not work with natural medications. I do understand that some people react to medications …but they also have the same reactions to natural methods as well . So there are pro’s and con’s to both .
You asked if we had to take medicine for GBS …because you have not had to . Part of me wants to say that I see your immaturity to the situation having asked that . As most of us well know ….. most of us have had different situations . Perhaps you did not have a severe of a case as alot of has have or perhaps your is not CIDP or perhaps your do not have any other symptom or underlying medical issues .
I do watch Dr. Oz and think he is a good doctor but if you ask most doctors …they will even tell you . Diagnosis is ruling out thing mixed with the appropriate test and blood work and then giving an educated guess . And sometimes they still have to seek other physicians advise and time does also tell alot .
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July 7, 2011 at 12:27 pm
Hi Carolyn,
It’s been a while as I have been stumbling through life waiting on SSDI and was finally awarded it.
Anway, I am curious as to what you think about iridiology (?sp) where they look at the colors in your eyes, etc.???
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July 7, 2011 at 5:30 pm
Hi, Chrissy,
I just congratulated you on the other forum. Synchronicity. I have stayed away from the GBS forum, because I was tired of naysayers. Those that say that stress does not affect GBS. In the middle school science book I taught from it showed that stress causes Latent (sleeping) viruses to multiply. So these people get on this site and pontificate that is not true. It’s in the 7th grade science books! sheesh And what fights viruses? Our body’s white blood cells – and they need a certain amount of vitamin C to stay healthy and fight off the infections. So I have given up.
Since you asked, I have found that Iridology (iris) and sclerology (whites) do work. When I was in perimenopause, my liver was going crazy trying to deal with the hormonal fluctuations. The colored part of my right iris (around 12 o’clock) had major yellow coloring in it. Now that that is over and I have been taking supplements to support my liver, the yellow is gone. There was an actress – Lindsay Wagner? The one who does commercials for a bed or mattress – she did a tape on how moles on your face tell you what is wrong with your body. I had one on my left side between my upper lip and my nose which is the area of the liver. Going through perimenopause, I got an identical one on the other side. Now that my liver is better, the one on my right side is totally gone and the one on the left is half way gone and gradually disappearing.
Just like our feet and hands tell us what part of our body needs help, so do the eyes. I hope this helps. I hate writing more because it opens me up to criticism. If you want to know more, send me a private message. To me there is nothing worse than those who have never researched or tried something putting it down. You have always been open-minded and I thank you. -
July 8, 2011 at 1:49 pm
[QUOTE=Carolyn]Hi, Chrissy,
I just congratulated you on the other forum. Synchronicity. I have stayed away from the GBS forum, because I was tired of naysayers. Those that say that stress does not affect GBS. In the middle school science book I taught from it showed that stress causes Latent (sleeping) viruses to multiply. So these people get on this site and pontificate that is not true. It’s in the 7th grade science books! sheesh And what fights viruses? Our body’s white blood cells – and they need a certain amount of vitamin C to stay healthy and fight off the infections. So I have given up.
Since you asked, I have found that Iridology (iris) and sclerology (whites) do work. When I was in perimenopause, my liver was going crazy trying to deal with the hormonal fluctuations. The colored part of my right iris (around 12 o’clock) had major yellow coloring in it. Now that that is over and I have been taking supplements to support my liver, the yellow is gone. There was an actress – Lindsay Wagner? The one who does commercials for a bed or mattress – she did a tape on how moles on your face tell you what is wrong with your body. I had one on my left side between my upper lip and my nose which is the area of the liver. Going through perimenopause, I got an identical one on the other side. Now that my liver is better, the one on my right side is totally gone and the one on the left is half way gone and gradually disappearing.
Just like our feet and hands tell us what part of our body needs help, so do the eyes. I hope this helps. I hate writing more because it opens me up to criticism. If you want to know more, send me a private message. To me there is nothing worse than those who have never researched or tried something putting it down. You have always been open-minded and I thank you.[/QUOTE]Please, let’s communicate about such things as moles and livers in PMs.
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July 9, 2011 at 11:24 pm
Chrissy ,
I urge you to talk to your doctor …. I realize people can be sincere about their advice ….however they also can be sincerley wrong .
I hope you find the answers you seek 🙂
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July 13, 2011 at 8:36 pm
Beachcomber,
I believe that Chrissy’s comment/and question were addressed to me – not you.I have studied wholistic health and read over 500 books for the last 41 years.
That is the amount of time that you have been alive. So I found it highly arrogant that you implied that I “can be sincerely wrong”. When You have 41 years of experience in the wholistic field, then you can judge me. Having survived GBS twice – 20 years apart – and not taking any steroids, IVIG, pain killers, or any other pharmaceuticals – I must be doing something right. (And please don’t say I had a mild case of it; I couldn’t stand for 4-5 months.) If it is your choice to follow the advice of your physicians for your CIDP, I do not question how successful that has been after seven years, because it is your choice and none of my business…as it is none of your business to criticize my input; let others have another option. I think results speak for themselves. -
July 14, 2011 at 6:24 am
[QUOTE=GH-CIDP]These are open forums (except for private messages). I find it disturbing that a site devoted to people with serious medical conditions in need of the best medical help they can obtain would be used by some to promote quackery.[/QUOTE]
Don’t read it then and stick to your own medical advice. I see nowhere here where Carolyn said to disregard your doctor’s advice, she was merely sharing what she believes works best for her. -
July 15, 2011 at 5:49 pm
Carolyn —
I absolutely stand by my comment . I make no apologies for that . You have made several statements that seem like your giving medical advice that you have no business giving ….. the first one that caught my eye ” I do hope your NOT on a statin drug -Stay away from them ” . While I congratulate you on reading 500 books that does not mean it is appropriate for you to tell or suggest for someone not to take a medication .
As I stated before you do have to be your own advocate with your body . There are some things though that are common sense …… if you want to go natural then go to your doctor get the proper blood work and see what you are low on and go from there . Your doctor can help you find the right combination for you . You could choose a DO instead of an MD …DO’s are doctor’s of osteopathic medicine which deals more of the “whole” body .
These people are at least licensed to know what they are talking about . Anyone can read books …. and give their opinion . Perhaps your the one that needs to be more open minded ?Kimberly
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July 15, 2011 at 5:52 pm
GH – CIDP ,
I could’t agree with you more …..quackery can be a dangerous thing . Essentually it could cost someone their life . 🙁
Thanks for your input !
Kimberly
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July 18, 2011 at 1:55 pm
Arthur Schopenhauer said: “All truth passes through three stages: First it is ridiculed, Second it is violently opposed, Third it is accepted as self-evident.”
Your use of the word Quackery puts you in the first stage.
Ignaz Semmelweis was a young doctor in the 1800’s who saw that more women were dying in childbirth of puerperal fever in hospitals as opposed to those giving birth at home. He suggested that the doctors wash their hands after doing autopsies and between patients. He was Ridiculed, Violently Opposed, dismissed from his duties, etc. It wasn’t until after his death when Louis Pasteur proved he was correct. Now we accept Pasteur’s Germ Theory.
Many on this site were exposed to GBS through swine flu vaccine. Had we learned earlier what the consequences were, many would not have gotten it.
On this site we sometimes put up red flags to help each other. It is each person’s right to believe or disbelieve.You make it sound like I am into snake oil and eye of a newt!!! Sheesh. My books were written by leading medical doctors – AMA doctors and a few DO’s
and naturopaths. So you are calling them quacks.
I did have an MD who got me through my first bout of GBS. He has since written two books.Thanks,Northern Guitar guy, for being a voice of reason.
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July 18, 2011 at 3:37 pm
Carolyn —
Again congratulations on the books that you have read and knowing what others have researched . I do think it is important to do that . I am not trying to make you look like your into snake oil and eye of newt . Frankly I have no clue why someone would even think of that …..
My problem is when someone reads some books and then feels they are able to tell someone not to take a certain type of medication because they don’t believe it is good for them. There are medications that people take that if they stop suddenly it could make them have a stroke or a heart attack . Or if they take certain “natural ” things it can interfere with how a medication works . It is a dangerous thing to suggest to someone not to take a medication because you feel your an authority on something because you have read books and read about research . There are many knowlegeable people on this site …for many it was a necessity so they knew as much as possible about their condidtion .
No I am not calling those doctors quacks and if you have read my post you can clearly see that ….. I am not interested in getting in a debate with you . My point is that you can not /should not suggest for someone to not take a medication given to a patient by a trained physician . If you have a medical license that would be different but I do not think I have seen where you have said that .
It is simply irresponsible for you to do that ….
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July 21, 2011 at 1:48 pm
[quote=GH-CIDP]I am the one using the term “quackery,” not beachcomber. But I endorse her views, though expressed in more restrained language. I won’t debate here what is quackery and what is not, because I consider it outside the scope of this website, but merely refer any interested readers to the site: quackwatch.org[/quote] Today’s quackery could well be tomorrow’s cure i.e. overwhelming evidence of benefits of medical marijuana for patients of many ills with delivery systems that minimize the pollutants caused by smoking. You would look like Cheech and CHong if you had of brought this forward 30 years ago. Contrast that to what doctor’s recommend from science to help people in pain. Oxycontin, Percodan are poisonous to the liver, not to mention addictive.
Carolyn, I salute you sister for reminding us to put some faith into Mother Nature’s remedies. I have enough of a mind that I did not go and flush my pharmaceuticals down the drain after reading your thoughts. Perhaps some here fear that you have some kind of ‘Jedi mind trick’ that you can work on us. May the force be with you.
Quack Quack!
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July 22, 2011 at 11:19 am
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