I have a pillow top matress ($1000 king) and it works pretty good. I don’t know how those other beds work, but the important thing for me is to surface MUST breath. It’s like wearing a plastic rain coat on a hot day for me on some beds. I like my recliner too. My wife understands that if I fall asleep in front of the TV she is to leave me there and go to bed on her own. That happens once or twice a week.